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\nare you ready to manage your work and<\/p>\n
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\npersonal world better to live a more<\/p>\n
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\nfulfilling productive life then you’ve<\/p>\n
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\ncome to the right place<\/p>\n
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\nwelcome to productivity cast the weekly<\/p>\n
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\nshow about all things productivity here<\/p>\n
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\nare your hosts Ray Sidney-Smith and<\/p>\n
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\nAugusto Pinaud good morning everybody and<\/p>\n
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\nwelcome to productivity cast the weekly<\/p>\n
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\nshow about all things productivity today<\/p>\n
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\nwe have Francis Wade and Art Gelwicks<\/p>\n
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\nwith us and with me Augusto Pinaud<\/p>\n
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\nand Ray is somewhere in the world<\/p>\n
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\nmissing hopefully having fun or sleeping<\/p>\n
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\naccording to the recording time we have<\/p>\n
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\ntoday we are going to be talking about<\/p>\n
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\ncreating your ideal workspace it is<\/p>\n
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\nimportant to understand what are the<\/p>\n
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\nneeds of your work-place mostly or the<\/p>\n
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\nworkspace mostly because you know will<\/p>\n
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\nallows you to establish higher levels of<\/p>\n
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\nproductivity in that space or if you are<\/p>\n
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\nthe lucky kind who can have it anywhere<\/p>\n
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\nanywhere so today we would like to split<\/p>\n
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\nthe show in three parts the first part<\/p>\n
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\nwill be where do we work best the second<\/p>\n
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\npart were the factors for that<\/p>\n
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\nand finally the effects on having that<\/p>\n
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\nideal workspace and what you should if<\/p>\n
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\nyou should have ownership on it or not<\/p>\n
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\nso how are you guys this morning<\/p>\n
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\nI’m fine a bang I’m doing well it’s a<\/p>\n
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\nkind of drizzly day here right now but<\/p>\n
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\nyou know mountain about mmm working<\/p>\n
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\nweird work needs to be done so I’m doing<\/p>\n
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\nwell how about you been pretty good<\/p>\n
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\ndoing pretty good and joined a really<\/p>\n
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\nnice day out of the window so I’m<\/p>\n
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\nworking on the home office today and<\/p>\n
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\nrecord in actually from the home office<\/p>\n
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\nlet’s start this conversation where did<\/p>\n
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\nyou work best my first thought was that<\/p>\n
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\nit worked best in my my office and<\/p>\n
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\nideally my office is a quiet spot quiet<\/p>\n
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\nplace no interruptions there’s no phones<\/p>\n
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\nand pings and knocks and<\/p>\n
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\nno interruptions from the outside<\/p>\n
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\nenvironment but as I started to think<\/p>\n
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\nabout it some more it’s it’s not for the<\/p>\n
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\nwork that requires the quiet that I need<\/p>\n
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\nto get it done then my office is the<\/p>\n
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\nbest place but what about when I’m<\/p>\n
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\ngiving a speech I can’t say that’s the<\/p>\n
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\nbest place to give a speech is in my<\/p>\n
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\noffice you know be kind of crazy to say<\/p>\n
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\nthat so it it’s a tricky question<\/p>\n
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\nbecause I started to think that maybe<\/p>\n
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\nit’s not as simple as it seems that<\/p>\n
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\nthere is in order for me to give my best<\/p>\n
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\nspeech for example it’s not the case<\/p>\n
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\nthat I have to be in my office it’s the<\/p>\n
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\ncase that I have to be in uninterrupted<\/p>\n
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\nand and I can have an environment in<\/p>\n
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\nwhich I can be focused so I then pivot<\/p>\n
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\naway from it having anything to do with<\/p>\n
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\ngeography and that then I started to<\/p>\n
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\nthink okay it has something to do with<\/p>\n
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\nbeing able to focus for a particular<\/p>\n
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\nlevel of intensity for as long as it<\/p>\n
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\ntakes and that didn’t seem to be boned<\/p>\n
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\nby geography it’s it’s more a function<\/p>\n
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\nof the environment as I’m able to create<\/p>\n
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\nit I think that that it’s not really jog<\/p>\n
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\nrafi for me it’s the environment as I<\/p>\n
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\ncan create it yeah I gotta agree with<\/p>\n
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\nyou on that one Francis for me a lot of<\/p>\n
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\nmy work takes me to client locations or<\/p>\n
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\nvarious places and being able to create<\/p>\n
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\na work space wherever I am is critical<\/p>\n
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\nfor me to be able to be productive so<\/p>\n
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\nwhen I look at things such as you know<\/p>\n
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\nhow am I going to work best my<\/p>\n
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\nheadphones are probably one of the<\/p>\n
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\nbiggest contributors to that to be able<\/p>\n
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\nto plug in to a sound source put in my<\/p>\n
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\nheadphones block out the outside sound<\/p>\n
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\nand drop into a flow state to be able to<\/p>\n
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\nget work done that’s what makes or<\/p>\n
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\nbreaks it for me now saying that I did<\/p>\n
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\nspend four years working directly from a<\/p>\n
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\nhome office and that was it was very<\/p>\n
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\nnice to have that isolated environment<\/p>\n
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\nyou knew you had dedicated focus for<\/p>\n
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\nextended periods of time but I don’t<\/p>\n
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\nthink that that decrese how productive<\/p>\n
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\nsomeone will be you really have to find<\/p>\n
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\na way that you can put your mind in the<\/p>\n
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\nright operating state regardless of the<\/p>\n
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\nbecause if the environment is what’s<\/p>\n
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\npreventing you from being productive you<\/p>\n
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\ncan either change the environment which<\/p>\n
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\nunfortunately is not an option for many<\/p>\n
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\npeople or you can go through and you can<\/p>\n
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\njust find a way to create your own<\/p>\n
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\nlittle bubble so that’s what I do I<\/p>\n
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\ncarried the gear that I need in my bag<\/p>\n
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\nand I can sit down and create a bubble<\/p>\n
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\nsomewhere and get work done you know it<\/p>\n
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\nis interesting you put it that way I if<\/p>\n
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\nI look back to my work experienced there<\/p>\n
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\nhas been trickier up to this point at<\/p>\n
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\nleast three really clear work styles you<\/p>\n
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\nknow when I start that it was really<\/p>\n
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\noffice bound and it was trying to make<\/p>\n
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\nthat space productive and been able to<\/p>\n
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\nget in the zone between you know that<\/p>\n
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\nparticular space there is a second stage<\/p>\n
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\nwhere I was what we will call a road<\/p>\n
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\nwarrior and I was traveling 250,000<\/p>\n
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\nmiles per year where I was pretty much<\/p>\n
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\nin that situation you are describing you<\/p>\n
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\nknow where I needed to be productive<\/p>\n
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\nanywhere didn’t matter it was an<\/p>\n
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\nairplane you know or a cramped airplane<\/p>\n
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\nor a hotel room or looking at the ocean<\/p>\n
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\nclose to a client side and then it it’s<\/p>\n
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\nwe can talk about that the more recent<\/p>\n
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\nstage and where I am where I have now<\/p>\n
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\nthe flexibility to work anywhere I can<\/p>\n
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\nbe here my home office I can actually be<\/p>\n
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\nin the office or I can be on a client<\/p>\n
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\nside and the problem is still the same<\/p>\n
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\nyou still need to find a way to identify<\/p>\n
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\nwhat kind of work you are going to do<\/p>\n
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\nand how to get in the zone for that kind<\/p>\n
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\nof work in my particular case it depends<\/p>\n
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\nwhat I’m trying to accomplish and what<\/p>\n
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\nis the work I’m going to do it is not<\/p>\n
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\nthe same kind of rituals or things that<\/p>\n
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\nI need even that I carry them all with<\/p>\n
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\nme if what I’m going to do is conduct<\/p>\n
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\nbusiness or make sales calls or work<\/p>\n
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\nwith customers<\/p>\n
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\nthan if I’m what I’m going to do is been<\/p>\n
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\nwriting so it changed what kind of<\/p>\n
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\nenvironment I need so for example if I<\/p>\n
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\nam going to do client work client work<\/p>\n
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\nis something I like to do with standing<\/p>\n
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\nout and I have a stand up desk and I<\/p>\n
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\neven have a camera TripIt that I trick<\/p>\n
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\nwith a table on top so that way is the<\/p>\n
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\nmost portable thing I can take with me<\/p>\n
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\nand that will give me an extend of desk<\/p>\n
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\nalmost anywhere why if I am working with<\/p>\n
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\ncustomers I enjoy that it’s important<\/p>\n
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\nfor me that is standing up feature if I<\/p>\n
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\nam going to write I like to be almost<\/p>\n
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\nsitting lay down legs up in a really<\/p>\n
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\ncomfortable position that’s what writing<\/p>\n
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\nlong or for a long time requires me to<\/p>\n
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\nhave some environment and the other<\/p>\n
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\nthing that required for me as an<\/p>\n
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\nenvironment is music again if I’m going<\/p>\n
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\nto be writing I want music I need to<\/p>\n
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\nblock myself out out of that noise and<\/p>\n
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\nif I’m thinking it can be a standing up<\/p>\n
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\nor can be sitting down but it also<\/p>\n
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\nrequired music it just require a<\/p>\n
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\ndifferent kind of music<\/p>\n
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\nyou know if I’m writing I tend to listen<\/p>\n
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\nto rock in Spanish and if I’m thinking<\/p>\n
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\nit tend to be classical music because I<\/p>\n
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\nI don’t want the words of the music<\/p>\n
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\ndistracting me in any way so it need to<\/p>\n
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\nbe classical or instrumental where the<\/p>\n
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\nbrain can block the sound surrounding me<\/p>\n
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\nbut not get me distracted with what that<\/p>\n
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\nthis song is telling or not telling it’s<\/p>\n
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\ninteresting you mentioned how music fits<\/p>\n
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\ninto your productivity scheme because I<\/p>\n
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\nknow a lot of people that’s the way the<\/p>\n
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\noperator it depends on what I’m trying<\/p>\n
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\nto accomplish I often turn on podcasts<\/p>\n
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\nand just let podcasts through my<\/p>\n
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\nheadphones beating to them if anything<\/p>\n
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\nof interest pops up I can pause for a<\/p>\n
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\nsecond and then go back to what I was<\/p>\n
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\ndoing and not lose that productive flow<\/p>\n
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\nis per se but it’s something out of it<\/p>\n
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\nbut if it’s something that I really need<\/p>\n
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\nto be it’s a creative endeavor if I’m<\/p>\n
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\nwriting if I’m doing a<\/p>\n
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\npresentation if I’m working on some<\/p>\n
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\ngraphic work anything along that line<\/p>\n
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\nthen yeah I’ve got particular playlists<\/p>\n
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\nthat I’ll pop into my headphones and<\/p>\n
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\nthat there’s no verbal in most<\/p>\n
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\ntremendous so I can truly just on the<\/p>\n
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\nvoice inside my head talking to myself<\/p>\n
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\ngetting things get worked through so<\/p>\n
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\nthat I can keep my productivity flow at<\/p>\n
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\na maximum level but that’s taken a long<\/p>\n
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\ntime to refine it’s become very easy to<\/p>\n
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\nit’s easy to get into things and get<\/p>\n
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\ndistracted because they’re different<\/p>\n
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\nthere’s I’ve heard a couple of<\/p>\n
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\nproductivity experts who say that one of<\/p>\n
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\nthe best things to do is to pick a song<\/p>\n
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\nand just put it on repeat not multiple<\/p>\n
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\nsongs just one and just let it keep<\/p>\n
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\nrepeating and repeating and it basically<\/p>\n
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\nbecomes white noise honestly that would<\/p>\n
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\ndrive me bonkers after a little while<\/p>\n
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\nbut to each their own<\/p>\n
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\nI believe me only one song to repeat it<\/p>\n
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\nI think it will drive me nuts like you<\/p>\n
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\nand I don’t think it is a really<\/p>\n
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\nparticular style that I listened it is<\/p>\n
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\nbasically two different artists but I<\/p>\n
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\nthink I need the variety of the<\/p>\n
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\ndifferent songs to be able to make it<\/p>\n
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\nhappen I’m like the opposite I I don’t I<\/p>\n
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\ndon’t touch music at all it’s not<\/p>\n
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\nbecause I don’t like music I’m not much<\/p>\n
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\nof a musical file but it’s it’s just<\/p>\n
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\nthat it doesn’t do much for me if I have<\/p>\n
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\nit it’s okay if I don’t have it it’s<\/p>\n
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\nthat’s okay too but I don’t I don’t like<\/p>\n
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\nfussing with the audio I guess I don’t<\/p>\n
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\nlike the the shuffling of the songs and<\/p>\n
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\nthey’re having to find a song or having<\/p>\n
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\nto play the song or having to to set it<\/p>\n
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\nup or download it I don’t for whatever<\/p>\n
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\nfussing around with mp3s and different<\/p>\n
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\ncertain kind of that white noise isn’t<\/p>\n
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\nlot meaning because of where I live if<\/p>\n
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\nneed Oh need any more than that just<\/p>\n
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\nenough to sort of cover<\/p>\n
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\nalso the floor stage that kind of noise<\/p>\n
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\nis the kind that I’m sort of working<\/p>\n
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\nagainst even if I’m giving a speech<\/p>\n
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\nto account for in some way like a<\/p>\n
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\nmy speech by someone in a different room<\/p>\n
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\nthat I find distracting it so anything<\/p>\n
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\nwhite noise kind of kind of genre I<\/p>\n
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\nguess or anything that jars me or<\/p>\n
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\nrequires some cognitive attention um<\/p>\n
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\nthat I don’t want I just want it to be<\/p>\n
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\nreally I guess simple simple consistent<\/p>\n
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\nand the same and I don’t actually have<\/p>\n
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\nto do anything about it<\/p>\n
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\nI guess I’m lazy that way it’s an<\/p>\n
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\ninteresting spin on this because when we<\/p>\n
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\nthink about workspaces and in the<\/p>\n
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\nenvironments that we get caught up in a<\/p>\n
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\nlot of people in the corporate space<\/p>\n
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\nhave to work in open floor plan<\/p>\n
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\nenvironments because they were so<\/p>\n
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\npopular and still are to some degree and<\/p>\n
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\nbeing able to create a headspace in that<\/p>\n
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\nenvironment can be even that much harder<\/p>\n
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\nbecause you’ve got the visual<\/p>\n
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\ndistractions of people moving around you<\/p>\n
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\nyou have audio distractions that people<\/p>\n
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\nmake noise around you and in many<\/p>\n
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\ncountries many places like the client<\/p>\n
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\nI’m working at now they have created<\/p>\n
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\nkind of isolation areas spread out all<\/p>\n
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\nover the place that you can go and grab<\/p>\n
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\nbasically a one person conference room<\/p>\n
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\nto work in for a period of time but yeah<\/p>\n
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\nthe audio piece I think in especially<\/p>\n
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\nlike in the open floor plan environments<\/p>\n
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\nyou see more headphones than you see<\/p>\n
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\nheads at times it’s just amazing how<\/p>\n
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\npeople have to do that isolation and I<\/p>\n
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\nalways wondered what everybody was<\/p>\n
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\nlistening to so it’s it’s interesting to<\/p>\n
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\nhear this and hear how we each have our<\/p>\n
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\nown best sound that works for us you<\/p>\n
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\nknow as a person who used to fly a lot I<\/p>\n
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\nlearned at that time that a lot of the<\/p>\n
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\nfrequent fliers I put the headphones not<\/p>\n
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\nnecessarily for the noise or for the<\/p>\n
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\nsound or for the music but as a clue of<\/p>\n
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\nthe<\/p>\n
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\ndon’t interrupt me and my experience in<\/p>\n
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\nopen floor plans especially when I go<\/p>\n
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\nand visit customers is exactly that it’s<\/p>\n
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\ntend to be more on the lines of getting<\/p>\n
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\nthe headphones so you don’t get<\/p>\n
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\ninterrupted then getting the headphones<\/p>\n
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\nbecause you are necessarily listen some<\/p>\n
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\nkind of music but since we’re in this<\/p>\n
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\nand I think it’s a good time to change<\/p>\n
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\nto so what we talked about environmental<\/p>\n
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\nfactors you know how about the<\/p>\n
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\nergonomics the colors you know the<\/p>\n
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\ncollaborative versus those individual<\/p>\n
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\nspaces you know the tools<\/p>\n
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\nhow about clutter how about clear spaces<\/p>\n
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\ndistraction and again stand-up desk and<\/p>\n
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\nas I said I love my stand-up desk for<\/p>\n
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\ncertain work you know anything that<\/p>\n
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\ninvolve interacting with other human<\/p>\n
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\nbeings I think there is nothing better<\/p>\n
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\nthan standing up actually if I do short<\/p>\n
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\nmeanings I love them when people is<\/p>\n
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\nwilling to do standing up meanings<\/p>\n
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\nbecause they seem to me much more<\/p>\n
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\nfocused than when you’re comfortable<\/p>\n
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\nsitting in the conference room I’ve<\/p>\n
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\nexperimented a little bit with stand-up<\/p>\n
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\nstand-up meetings and I found that they<\/p>\n
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\nwork awesomely I really get to be able<\/p>\n
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\nto be around a client long enough to<\/p>\n
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\nsuggest that method and they’ve never<\/p>\n
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\nthey don’t none of my clients use it on<\/p>\n
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\na regular basis so it’s not a part of<\/p>\n
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\ntheir philosophy or anything<\/p>\n
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\nunfortunately I would change that if I<\/p>\n
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\ncould with control over it but um I I<\/p>\n
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\nmuch prefer outside like I like to move<\/p>\n
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\naround I like to when I’m on the phone<\/p>\n
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\nI’m always walking with the phone I’m<\/p>\n
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\nsitting on my desk but if I could walk<\/p>\n
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\naround then and beyond on on our call I<\/p>\n
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\nwould I just I just don’t have the the<\/p>\n
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\ntools to be able to do that with so in<\/p>\n
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\nterms of ergonomics I prefer to stand<\/p>\n
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\none of the best setups I ever had was to<\/p>\n
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\nhave two different kinds of chairs<\/p>\n
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\num if you guys remember those it was a<\/p>\n
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\nthose chairs that came up for a while<\/p>\n
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\nwhich wish you would Neela it would to<\/p>\n
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\nsave the pressure on your back so they<\/p>\n
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\nwould they would<\/p>\n
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\nhave this d-pad in front and then you<\/p>\n
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\nget into it and basically lean forward<\/p>\n
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\nand they would have done they have no<\/p>\n
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\nback rest so I had a chair like that and<\/p>\n
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\nI had a regular conference room chair<\/p>\n
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\nand I would switch between the two and<\/p>\n
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\nman I thought that was that was the that<\/p>\n
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\nwas a stuffed man that was the best I’m<\/p>\n
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\nso sorry I actually gave away that that<\/p>\n
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\nthat kneeling chair when I left when I<\/p>\n
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\ndidn’t want it that was a mistake I<\/p>\n
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\nshould have kept that big cuz I miss it<\/p>\n
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\nand I really missed the the way I used<\/p>\n
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\nshift my body position between the two I<\/p>\n
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\nthought was really really useful but<\/p>\n
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\napart from that I don’t pay a whole lot<\/p>\n
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\nof attention to her gonna mix it’s not a<\/p>\n
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\ngood thing because I actually have some<\/p>\n
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\nthe move our own mouths I can’t use a<\/p>\n
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\nregular mouse for too long I have to use<\/p>\n
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\na trackpad because if I my wrist starts<\/p>\n
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\nmoving around too much it starts to hurt<\/p>\n
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\ntrackball rather a little ball that you<\/p>\n
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\nbe paying more attention to it but well<\/p>\n
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\none of these things again yeah I use<\/p>\n
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\nstanding desks fairly frequently this<\/p>\n
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\nparticular client I met they have in<\/p>\n
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\nmany places scrum areas for their teams<\/p>\n
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\nthey can change the height of the desk<\/p>\n
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\nvery nice very expensive but very nice<\/p>\n
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\ndesks have been nothing more than a<\/p>\n
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\ncouple of cardboard boxes my laptop<\/p>\n
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\nsitting on top of them what whatever<\/p>\n
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\nI mean that’s we should never<\/p>\n
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\nbut it really comes down to if you’re<\/p>\n
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\nbecause I has a suffering from back pain<\/p>\n
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\nand the back pain was distracting me<\/p>\n
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\nfocus and concentrate when when you are<\/p>\n
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\nbeginning was I was traveling so much<\/p>\n
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\nmuch simpler task I mean my come office<\/p>\n
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\noffices on and I have seen everything<\/p>\n
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\nif that desk is not pristine to the<\/p>\n
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\npeople who you know you almost need a<\/p>\n
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\nmap to find their desk and on both cases<\/p>\n
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\nI have seen high levels of productivity<\/p>\n
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\nso did you guys have a difference for<\/p>\n
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\nyou guys or for any data that can you<\/p>\n
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\nother day about my my messy desk and you<\/p>\n
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\nmore with that and it’s interesting<\/p>\n
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\njust as distracting if not more so<\/p>\n
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\nbecause you spend time looking at it<\/p>\n
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\nmoving things around moving this here<\/p>\n
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\nsaid I am you know I like my clean and I<\/p>\n
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\ncan even work<\/p>\n
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\nit’s I need to reorganize that desk so I<\/p>\n
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\nand but that is what work<\/p>\n
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\nfor me and that is really important any<\/p>\n
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\nmay not ever ever work for Francis and<\/p>\n
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\nimportant that you keep that uniqueness<\/p>\n
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\nlook you know as quirks they are<\/p>\n
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\nimportant if they allow you to get into<\/p>\n
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\nthe zone and allows you to be really<\/p>\n
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\nangle here however as you guys were<\/p>\n
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\ntalking I was remembering there is some<\/p>\n
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\nresearch around reminders so if your<\/p>\n
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\nthere’s enough research to see that that<\/p>\n
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\nthat is ineffective if you’re trying to<\/p>\n
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\nit’s the you you’re actually limited in<\/p>\n
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\nit’s going to actually pull my<\/p>\n
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\nrather than allowing me to get I focused<\/p>\n
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\nearlier with the intent of it trying to<\/p>\n
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\npast what what what we had was a<\/p>\n
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\ncare of all of these notifications in<\/p>\n
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\nproductive however we don’t most of us<\/p>\n
0:30:48.179,0:30:54.630
\ndon’t have that instead we have this<\/p>\n
0:30:50.159,0:30:56.730
\nugly mishmash of apps and I think oddly<\/p>\n
0:30:54.630,0:30:59.340
\nmish-mosh is way more of an<\/p>\n
0:30:56.730,0:31:02.750
\nenvironmental factor for me anyway then<\/p>\n
0:30:59.340,0:31:06.289
\nI have a clot or physical clutter or or<\/p>\n
0:31:02.750,0:31:09.059
\nsone sound problems or problems with<\/p>\n
0:31:06.289,0:31:10.649
\nwith interrupting zones<\/p>\n
0:31:09.059,0:31:14.759
\nand I don’t think there’s a there’s any<\/p>\n
0:31:10.649,0:31:16.350
\nhope inside I don’t see that anyone and<\/p>\n
0:31:14.759,0:31:18.299
\nI keep monitoring so I look to see who<\/p>\n
0:31:16.350,0:31:20.970
\nis developing the latest apps on product<\/p>\n
0:31:18.299,0:31:22.909
\nhunt I don’t see anyone thinking in<\/p>\n
0:31:20.970,0:31:25.710
\nthese terms say how can we give someone<\/p>\n
0:31:22.909,0:31:28.220
\ncomplete control over all notifications<\/p>\n
0:31:25.710,0:31:30.299
\nall platforms all at the same time<\/p>\n
0:31:28.220,0:31:32.279
\nsynchronize them completely and<\/p>\n
0:31:30.299,0:31:34.049
\nessentially mimic what a great<\/p>\n
0:31:32.279,0:31:35.220
\nadministrator assistant used to do I<\/p>\n
0:31:34.049,0:31:37.529
\ndon’t see anyone heading in that<\/p>\n
0:31:35.220,0:31:39.509
\ndirection yet maybe you guys do that I’d<\/p>\n
0:31:37.529,0:31:40.740
\nlove to hear now I have to agree with<\/p>\n
0:31:39.509,0:31:43.230
\nyou in that when looking at what<\/p>\n
0:31:40.740,0:31:44.519
\nandroids doing with Android<\/p>\n
0:31:43.230,0:31:46.320
\noh they’re improving the new<\/p>\n
0:31:44.519,0:31:48.629
\nnotifications functions in there but<\/p>\n
0:31:46.320,0:31:52.769
\nyou’re right it doesn’t change that flow<\/p>\n
0:31:48.629,0:31:56.220
\nfunnel I’ve actually fallen back on my<\/p>\n
0:31:52.769,0:31:59.279
\nSmartWatch I use a Samsung gear fit too<\/p>\n
0:31:56.220,0:32:01.700
\nas kind of the funnel because what it<\/p>\n
0:31:59.279,0:32:05.429
\nallows me to do is to say what<\/p>\n
0:32:01.700,0:32:07.980
\nnotifications will come to the fit and<\/p>\n
0:32:05.429,0:32:09.450
\nwhat won’t so I can literally go through<\/p>\n
0:32:07.980,0:32:10.679
\nand say look I don’t want any of these<\/p>\n
0:32:09.450,0:32:13.139
\nanymore I don’t want any of these<\/p>\n
0:32:10.679,0:32:14.639
\nanymore but they stay on my phone so I<\/p>\n
0:32:13.139,0:32:19.590
\ncan get to them later on what I need to<\/p>\n
0:32:14.639,0:32:21.690
\nso I’m creating tiers of immediacy when<\/p>\n
0:32:19.590,0:32:24.990
\nit comes to the notification but are<\/p>\n
0:32:21.690,0:32:26.789
\nthere too many absolutely there isn’t a<\/p>\n
0:32:24.990,0:32:28.470
\nday that goes by that I don’t go into a<\/p>\n
0:32:26.789,0:32:30.720
\nsystem going man I wish I had seen that<\/p>\n
0:32:28.470,0:32:33.779
\nnotification three days ago but there’s<\/p>\n
0:32:30.720,0:32:36.389
\njust so many I missed it so we have to<\/p>\n
0:32:33.779,0:32:38.249
\nkind of balance that piece of it is<\/p>\n
0:32:36.389,0:32:40.409
\nthere anybody trying to unify it not<\/p>\n
0:32:38.249,0:32:41.999
\nthat I’ve seen everybody thinks they<\/p>\n
0:32:40.409,0:32:44.399
\nhave the best way to do it and the best<\/p>\n
0:32:41.999,0:32:47.100
\nway to handle it I would love to see<\/p>\n
0:32:44.399,0:32:49.590
\nsome systems some of the automation<\/p>\n
0:32:47.100,0:32:51.749
\nsystems maybe like an IFTTT or something<\/p>\n
0:32:49.590,0:32:54.360
\nlike that start to handle that in a way<\/p>\n
0:32:51.749,0:32:56.519
\nto provide almost that digital virtual<\/p>\n
0:32:54.360,0:33:02.570
\nassistant but I think we’re still a ways<\/p>\n
0:32:56.519,0:33:06.659
\noff from that you know I I had an old<\/p>\n
0:33:02.570,0:33:09.600
\npebble that sadly the battery is almost<\/p>\n
0:33:06.659,0:33:13.230
\ndead so so it will be replaced on the<\/p>\n
0:33:09.600,0:33:16.169
\nfall with an Apple watch but when I had<\/p>\n
0:33:13.230,0:33:19.830
\nit I was using a similar system to what<\/p>\n
0:33:16.169,0:33:22.559
\nart is saying except that it wasn’t on<\/p>\n
0:33:19.830,0:33:26.749
\nmy phone it was on my<\/p>\n
0:33:22.559,0:33:30.120
\nI pass so my iPad gets most of the<\/p>\n
0:33:26.749,0:33:33.509
\nnotifications and the phone I actually<\/p>\n
0:33:30.120,0:33:36.149
\nhave two of them so I have an iPad Mini<\/p>\n
0:33:33.509,0:33:39.809
\nthat gets most of the notifications I<\/p>\n
0:33:36.149,0:33:42.120
\nhave an iPad pro who is really skimp in<\/p>\n
0:33:39.809,0:33:44.240
\nnotifications because is where I want to<\/p>\n
0:33:42.120,0:33:48.960
\nfocus I don’t want to be distracted and<\/p>\n
0:33:44.240,0:33:52.559
\non my phone in order to distract me on<\/p>\n
0:33:48.960,0:33:56.039
\nmy phone do almost me to earn that right<\/p>\n
0:33:52.559,0:33:59.159
\nso I have most of the notifications on<\/p>\n
0:33:56.039,0:34:03.419
\nthe phone deactivated even my default<\/p>\n
0:33:59.159,0:34:06.600
\nsound is no sound it vibrates but it do<\/p>\n
0:34:03.419,0:34:08.819
\nnot give sound and the reason is if I’m<\/p>\n
0:34:06.600,0:34:11.970
\nconcentrated the vibration doesn’t break<\/p>\n
0:34:08.819,0:34:14.460
\nmy concentration so if you want to be on<\/p>\n
0:34:11.970,0:34:17.909
\nmy phone and actually make noise you<\/p>\n
0:34:14.460,0:34:21.119
\nneed to earn that right and you can lose<\/p>\n
0:34:17.909,0:34:24.300
\nit too because that you know if you it<\/p>\n
0:34:21.119,0:34:26.970
\nallows me to keep focus work for a much<\/p>\n
0:34:24.300,0:34:29.190
\nmuch longer time you know when I was<\/p>\n
0:34:26.970,0:34:31.800
\nlooking into this little bit of wriggle<\/p>\n
0:34:29.190,0:34:34.740
\na year ago I wrote an article in which I<\/p>\n
0:34:31.800,0:34:36.839
\nI advise the reader to turn off all the<\/p>\n
0:34:34.740,0:34:40.020
\nnotifications apart from maybe their<\/p>\n
0:34:36.839,0:34:42.300
\nphone and then do a combination of what<\/p>\n
0:34:40.020,0:34:44.669
\nyou guys suggested which is to turn them<\/p>\n
0:34:42.300,0:34:48.780
\nback on one by one in other words have<\/p>\n
0:34:44.669,0:34:53.099
\nthem earn the right to to be a part of<\/p>\n
0:34:48.780,0:34:55.409
\nyour ecosystem of notifications and as<\/p>\n
0:34:53.099,0:34:56.310
\nyou if you missed one and realize you<\/p>\n
0:34:55.409,0:34:59.490
\ncouldn’t do without it<\/p>\n
0:34:56.310,0:35:01.230
\nokay turn that one on if one caused the<\/p>\n
0:34:59.490,0:35:03.450
\nproblem because it was off turn that one<\/p>\n
0:35:01.230,0:35:05.579
\non if there’s a new app that was<\/p>\n
0:35:03.450,0:35:07.380
\nproperly could behave properly if you<\/p>\n
0:35:05.579,0:35:09.930
\nyou hope try that one<\/p>\n
0:35:07.380,0:35:11.550
\nsee if it worked but you know I felt<\/p>\n
0:35:09.930,0:35:14.760
\nlike the advice I was giving was really<\/p>\n
0:35:11.550,0:35:17.579
\ncrude it was really it was so basic I’d<\/p>\n
0:35:14.760,0:35:19.470
\nnever read it before like that but it<\/p>\n
0:35:17.579,0:35:22.619
\nseemed like that was the only way to<\/p>\n
0:35:19.470,0:35:24.390
\nstay is saying that if if if I don’t<\/p>\n
0:35:22.619,0:35:26.430
\nhave some level of control over these<\/p>\n
0:35:24.390,0:35:28.619
\napps and they don’t properly earn the<\/p>\n
0:35:26.430,0:35:31.980
\nright which includes giving me control<\/p>\n
0:35:28.619,0:35:34.140
\nover the notification to some degree and<\/p>\n
0:35:31.980,0:35:35.910
\nalso giving me sparrin see because this<\/p>\n
0:35:34.140,0:35:37.140
\nlots of times I download an app<\/p>\n
0:35:35.910,0:35:45.480
\nand all of a sudden it starts to<\/p>\n
0:35:37.140,0:35:47.220
\nmisbehave I figure out then an ongoing<\/p>\n
0:35:45.480,0:35:49.740
\nproblem as I suited my phone ringing<\/p>\n
0:35:47.220,0:35:52.890
\nsomehow some app has grabbed a whole<\/p>\n
0:35:49.740,0:35:54.630
\npulled of my my ringtone and turns it<\/p>\n
0:35:52.890,0:35:57.660
\noff every night I kind of figure out<\/p>\n
0:35:54.630,0:36:00.030
\nwhich app it is which feature right I<\/p>\n
0:35:57.660,0:36:02.250
\nhave been looking at so so they don’t<\/p>\n
0:36:00.030,0:36:03.720
\nbehave properly so no more do they not<\/p>\n
0:36:02.250,0:36:05.700
\nearn the right but they actually make<\/p>\n
0:36:03.720,0:36:08.160
\nthings worse and then you’re not quite<\/p>\n
0:36:05.700,0:36:11.579
\nsure which one is it that’s causing this<\/p>\n
0:36:08.160,0:36:13.980
\nproblem so as users we’re sort of we<\/p>\n
0:36:11.579,0:36:16.349
\nwere sort of way in the sort of the<\/p>\n
0:36:13.980,0:36:17.819
\nbeginning phase of getting control over<\/p>\n
0:36:16.349,0:36:20.190
\nour environment with a perspective is<\/p>\n
0:36:17.819,0:36:21.900
\nreally important devices I think it’s<\/p>\n
0:36:20.190,0:36:23.700
\ninteresting as we talk through this and<\/p>\n
0:36:21.900,0:36:26.010
\nwe and basically we’re talking about<\/p>\n
0:36:23.700,0:36:27.750
\nthings like digital bankruptcy and when<\/p>\n
0:36:26.010,0:36:29.789
\npeople are dealing with inboxes Eero the<\/p>\n
0:36:27.750,0:36:31.890
\nsame concepts come into play but if you<\/p>\n
0:36:29.789,0:36:34.020
\nif you back it up a little bit the same<\/p>\n
0:36:31.890,0:36:35.849
\nthing as applying on the physical spaces<\/p>\n
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\nit is the digital space because there’s<\/p>\n
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\na point when you have so much clutter<\/p>\n
0:36:37.710,0:36:42.450
\nit’s like look just all of it goes you<\/p>\n
0:36:40.500,0:36:44.460
\nknow just put your arm on the desk slide<\/p>\n
0:36:42.450,0:36:46.410
\nit across clear the desk off and then<\/p>\n
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\nstart picking up stuff off the floor and<\/p>\n
0:36:46.410,0:36:51.599
\ndetermine what has earned the right to<\/p>\n
0:36:48.779,0:36:53.039
\ngo back on the desk we’re doing the same<\/p>\n
0:36:51.599,0:36:55.079
\nthing we’re just doing it in the digital<\/p>\n
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\nspace and it’s just giving ourselves<\/p>\n
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\nthat permission again to say okay you<\/p>\n
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\nhave no there’s nothing here that has<\/p>\n
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\nany more importance than anything else<\/p>\n
0:37:01.859,0:37:06.000
\nat this point you are all going to start<\/p>\n
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\nfrom zero and we are going to start<\/p>\n
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\ngoing from that point forward and say<\/p>\n
0:37:07.650,0:37:13.049
\nokay mr. facebook notification I don’t<\/p>\n
0:37:10.890,0:37:14.900
\nneed you all the time I’m going to turn<\/p>\n
0:37:13.049,0:37:17.640
\nyou off and I’ll check that occasional<\/p>\n
0:37:14.900,0:37:18.569
\nhowever you know my telegram<\/p>\n
0:37:17.640,0:37:20.039
\nnotifications<\/p>\n
0:37:18.569,0:37:22.920
\nI need those so you’re gonna get a<\/p>\n
0:37:20.039,0:37:25.500
\nhigher priority it’s important time<\/p>\n
0:37:22.920,0:37:28.700
\nspent and unfortunately we do have a<\/p>\n
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\ntendency to deprioritize that effort in<\/p>\n
0:37:28.700,0:37:33.930
\ncontrast to other work that quote has to<\/p>\n
0:37:31.680,0:37:35.490
\nbe done well if we don’t take time to do<\/p>\n
0:37:33.930,0:37:37.920
\nthe stuff to make ourselves more<\/p>\n
0:37:35.490,0:37:40.589
\nefficient the other work is not going to<\/p>\n
0:37:37.920,0:37:42.270
\nhappen at any better rate so I think you<\/p>\n
0:37:40.589,0:37:45.569
\nguys are absolutely right as we look at<\/p>\n
0:37:42.270,0:37:48.119
\nthis can we take the time can we set a<\/p>\n
0:37:45.569,0:37:49.710
\ntime is this something that do you think<\/p>\n
0:37:48.119,0:37:52.350
\nwe should be doing this<\/p>\n
0:37:49.710,0:37:54.480
\non a daily basis a weekly basis a<\/p>\n
0:37:52.350,0:37:56.970
\nmonthly basis how frequently do you guys<\/p>\n
0:37:54.480,0:38:00.390
\nthink we should kind of purge and reset<\/p>\n
0:37:56.970,0:38:01.980
\nour systems I think ultimately hopefully<\/p>\n
0:38:00.390,0:38:04.110
\nat some point in our lifetime someone<\/p>\n
0:38:01.980,0:38:05.940
\nwill make it easy for us to do it it’s<\/p>\n
0:38:04.110,0:38:08.520
\njust that it’s hard to do it today it’s<\/p>\n
0:38:05.940,0:38:11.760
\njust really time-consuming and laborious<\/p>\n
0:38:08.520,0:38:14.220
\nand tedious and mysterious and bad ways<\/p>\n
0:38:11.760,0:38:16.650
\nand I think there’s an opportunity for<\/p>\n
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\nsomeone to come up with a sort of a<\/p>\n
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\ncontroller kind of software that makes<\/p>\n
0:38:19.440,0:38:23.340
\nit easy for us to do that but I think<\/p>\n
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\nit’s a initially there’s an investment<\/p>\n
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\ntoday the investment is sort of you’ve<\/p>\n
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\ngot to make it continuously and you’ve<\/p>\n
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\ngot to invest a good amount of time to<\/p>\n
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\ndo it because it’s all manual but I<\/p>\n
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\nthink in the future someone will find a<\/p>\n
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\nway to help make it easier for us and<\/p>\n
0:38:36.030,0:38:39.660
\nthen the frequency would it would be an<\/p>\n
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\nexception I think it’s an exception<\/p>\n
0:38:39.660,0:38:44.100
\nbasis that it’s a sort of a secondly<\/p>\n
0:38:41.250,0:38:47.580
\nthat kind of situation in the future but<\/p>\n
0:38:44.100,0:38:49.800
\ntoday it’s manual and if you’re not<\/p>\n
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\ncareful you know in a week’s time you’ll<\/p>\n
0:38:49.800,0:38:54.480
\nhave some app just driving you crazy or<\/p>\n
0:38:52.200,0:38:56.100
\nlike in my case ticking over important<\/p>\n
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\nfunctions and you can’t figure out where<\/p>\n
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\nit’s coming from<\/p>\n
0:38:56.790,0:39:02.010
\nit’s like well we’re in a bad spot here<\/p>\n
0:38:58.380,0:39:04.680
\nsave us a booster I don’t know if I’m<\/p>\n
0:39:02.010,0:39:07.380
\ngoing to save us but I’d say that will<\/p>\n
0:39:04.680,0:39:09.480
\ndepend on what we’re talking so if we go<\/p>\n
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\nand keep talking about her the work<\/p>\n
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\nspace I will say around half once a year<\/p>\n
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\nI learned you know I years ago I begin<\/p>\n
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\nreading a my friend Michael Solinsky<\/p>\n
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\nredoing his office once a year and once<\/p>\n
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\na year he basically got all this office<\/p>\n
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\nout of the space and then think about<\/p>\n
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\neverything that is going to come back so<\/p>\n
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\nin a way anything that is going to come<\/p>\n
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\nback into that environment need to earn<\/p>\n
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\nthat space into this environment and<\/p>\n
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\nwhen I read in that when everything<\/p>\n
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\nwritten down I said wow that seems like<\/p>\n
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\na lot of work so happened that on one of<\/p>\n
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\nthe years he did it I had to move my<\/p>\n
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\nhome office so I decided instead of move<\/p>\n
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\nas I have moved in the past<\/p>\n
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\nso aka everything and figure out how to<\/p>\n
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\nfit it in there I decide to use the<\/p>\n
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\nopportunity to revise any<\/p>\n
0:40:03.540,0:40:08.490
\nthat was coming back and see if anything<\/p>\n
0:40:06.390,0:40:11.580
\nthat was coming back had really a space<\/p>\n
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\ncould earn a space or me to get out of<\/p>\n
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\nthe space and the experience was<\/p>\n
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\nfantastic I got rid of a bunch of junk<\/p>\n
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\nout of my home office that it was there<\/p>\n
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\nsome of a reminder some because hey well<\/p>\n
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\nyou know I had it in the past and some<\/p>\n
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\nthat was simply using a space on the<\/p>\n
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\nhome office so after that I said okay<\/p>\n
0:40:31.320,0:40:36.990
\nthis was a really useful exercise and I<\/p>\n
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\ncreate on my calendar an appointment for<\/p>\n
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\na year after and I redid the exercise<\/p>\n
0:40:40.230,0:40:47.040
\nand it was again fantastic and since<\/p>\n
0:40:43.230,0:40:49.560
\nevery time September hits around I took<\/p>\n
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\neverything down from network cables<\/p>\n
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\neverything and revised everything that<\/p>\n
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\ncomes into my physical home office as<\/p>\n
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\nwell as my office in my space in the<\/p>\n
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\noffice or my office in the office and it<\/p>\n
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\nis a fantastic experience because you<\/p>\n
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\ndon’t notice those little things you<\/p>\n
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\nstart putting on shelves on the desk<\/p>\n
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\nunder on the corner that really have no<\/p>\n
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\nspace there and the only thing that<\/p>\n
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\nproduced is white noise or or black<\/p>\n
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\nnoise because it’s not really a pleasant<\/p>\n
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\none regarding my digital life so my<\/p>\n
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\niPhone and my tablets and the computer I<\/p>\n
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\nshould do it more often but I do it also<\/p>\n
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\nonce a year and then I make a backup of<\/p>\n
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\nthe iPod so if you know something<\/p>\n
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\nhappened I can restore quickly and then<\/p>\n
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\nremove everything restore installed on<\/p>\n
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\nus and then go one by one just it’s<\/p>\n
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\ntime-consuming no question about it but<\/p>\n
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\nmost of the time I’m able to reduce the<\/p>\n
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\namount of junk that my devices have<\/p>\n
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\nsignificantly because the reality is is<\/p>\n
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\nso easy to install something these days<\/p>\n
0:42:06.930,0:42:11.850
\nit’s in many cases even so cheap that<\/p>\n
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\nyou say okay fine I will pay and install<\/p>\n
0:42:11.850,0:42:16.910
\nit and then you use it two times never<\/p>\n
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\nuse it again but is there is<\/p>\n
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\ncycles is making noise is using this<\/p>\n
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\npage and in a way it’s doing a negative<\/p>\n
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\neffect instead of a positive one so if<\/p>\n
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\nyou don’t want to do the full cleaning<\/p>\n
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\nand you don’t want to start the device<\/p>\n
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\nfrom scratch every time the other thing<\/p>\n
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\nyou can do is use that you can do easily<\/p>\n
0:42:37.160,0:42:43.610
\non iOS as well as Android is use<\/p>\n
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\ndifferent pages so use a page for the<\/p>\n
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\napplications that you use the most and<\/p>\n
0:42:45.680,0:42:52.760
\nmake the applications earn that position<\/p>\n
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\non that prime real estate of that first<\/p>\n
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\npage and then start moving things and<\/p>\n
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\nhiding them to the point that then it’s<\/p>\n
0:42:58.430,0:43:03.680
\nalmost more work to find them that just<\/p>\n
0:43:01.130,0:43:05.750
\ndon’t use them and you will then<\/p>\n
0:43:03.680,0:43:07.640
\nnaturally go to the point well if this<\/p>\n
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\nthing is already on the third page<\/p>\n
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\nfreely it can be deleted I don’t use it<\/p>\n
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\nwho knows when was the last time I use<\/p>\n
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\nit so those are the two things I do to<\/p>\n
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\nclean my physical space and my digital<\/p>\n
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\none that’s that process is a great way<\/p>\n
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\nto handle it I love doing that I don’t<\/p>\n
0:43:24.680,0:43:29.030
\ndo it often enough on my phone because I<\/p>\n
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\nhave a tendency to accumulate apps on my<\/p>\n
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\nphone like many of us do so I have to<\/p>\n
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\nperiodically go through and say wait<\/p>\n
0:43:34.490,0:43:38.570
\nwhat was that app again and if I ask<\/p>\n
0:43:36.530,0:43:40.370
\nthat question I apparently have not used<\/p>\n
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\nit recently and probably can take it off<\/p>\n
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\nmy phone<\/p>\n
0:43:41.090,0:43:44.540
\nbut there’s if you look at a lot of the<\/p>\n
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\nblogs there’s a great blog called<\/p>\n
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\nunclutter er that has these types of<\/p>\n
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\ntips and tricks that can be adapted to<\/p>\n
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\napply to our own workspaces and the only<\/p>\n
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\ncaution I provide is to watch the rabbit<\/p>\n
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\nhole because it can almost become<\/p>\n
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\ndetrimental to spend so much time trying<\/p>\n
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\nto mentally and physically unclutter<\/p>\n
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\nwhat we’re doing to to try and reach<\/p>\n
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\nthat mythical peak productivity<\/p>\n
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\nenvironment we still we still have to<\/p>\n
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\nfollow that the classic 8020 measure<\/p>\n
0:44:16.820,0:44:20.990
\nfind the things that are going to make<\/p>\n
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\nthe biggest impact implement those and<\/p>\n
0:44:20.990,0:44:26.000
\ndon’t sweat the small stuff get back to<\/p>\n
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\nwork and get things done and then work<\/p>\n
0:44:26.000,0:44:30.690
\ninto smaller and smaller details as the<\/p>\n
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\nbigger things have taken hold<\/p>\n
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\nbut there is a point where you just need<\/p>\n
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\nto stop trying to make it better and<\/p>\n
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\njust get some work done I agree and and<\/p>\n
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\nit it’s funny because we started off the<\/p>\n
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\nconversation and some of the outline to<\/p>\n
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\nthe physical clutter or at least<\/p>\n
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\nnon-digital and we’ve sort of moved<\/p>\n
0:44:49.829,0:44:56.099
\nnoted talking about digital digital<\/p>\n
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\nclutter or digital environment and III<\/p>\n
0:44:56.099,0:45:02.369
\nthink that the focus on keeping your<\/p>\n
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\ndigital environment pristine or workable<\/p>\n
0:45:02.369,0:45:06.839
\nor productive is a brand new topic for<\/p>\n
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\nus to be looking at in terms of this was<\/p>\n
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\nas human beings because before the<\/p>\n
0:45:08.700,0:45:12.780
\ndigital age there were there were no<\/p>\n
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\ndigital objects for us to have to worry<\/p>\n
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\nabout but no they’ve become a huge part<\/p>\n
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\nof our life I want to create a whole<\/p>\n
0:45:16.200,0:45:20.579
\ndifferent show on just just managing<\/p>\n
0:45:18.630,0:45:23.550
\ndigital clutter because this there’s<\/p>\n
0:45:20.579,0:45:27.000
\nseems to be a whole bunch of levels in<\/p>\n
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\nterms of how we can even think about<\/p>\n
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\ndigital it’s not just about clutter it’s<\/p>\n
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\nabout digital processes digital apps<\/p>\n
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\ndigital data resources that we need we<\/p>\n
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\ndon’t yet have a structured way to think<\/p>\n
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\nabout the digital objects in our life<\/p>\n
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\nand I’m thinking we need one badly well<\/p>\n
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\nyour wish may be granted and and we may<\/p>\n
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\nhave that show pretty soon any tip you<\/p>\n
0:45:50.550,0:45:55.410
\ncan leave to or listeners any closing<\/p>\n
0:45:53.339,0:45:57.119
\ncomments on you guys have I would<\/p>\n
0:45:55.410,0:46:01.619
\nreiterate what I mentioned before which<\/p>\n
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\nis just the idea of we’re all actually<\/p>\n
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\nrepeated in different ways which is the<\/p>\n
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\nturn off everything and then bring<\/p>\n
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\neverything back in one by one until you<\/p>\n
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\nfeel comfortable it’s painful I had to<\/p>\n
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\ndo in my smartphone and my laptop in the<\/p>\n
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\nlast year but the result I’m so happy<\/p>\n
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\nwith the result it just just up before<\/p>\n
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\ndoing it just seemed like it was gonna<\/p>\n
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\nkill me but after the fact it’s the best<\/p>\n
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\nfeeling in the world to have done it<\/p>\n
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\nthere for me it’s really just the<\/p>\n
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\nreminder that the work you do to make<\/p>\n
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\nyourself more efficient at the other<\/p>\n
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\nwork you do is as just as important so<\/p>\n
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\ngiving yourself that permission to take<\/p>\n
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\ntime to sharpen the saw to use the old<\/p>\n
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\naxiom<\/p>\n
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\nis something we have to want to be at<\/p>\n
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\nour peak productivity for me you know<\/p>\n
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\nthe reality is we also clutter at a<\/p>\n
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\nfaster speed than we used to it used to<\/p>\n
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\nbe much more difficult to acquire goods<\/p>\n
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\nand it used to be much more difficult to<\/p>\n
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\nacquire digital goods you know doesn’t<\/p>\n
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\nmatter if we’re talking about a movie a<\/p>\n
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\nPDF a free report it used to be a much<\/p>\n
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\nmore complex things to do you know we we<\/p>\n
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\ntake for granted the fact that I can go<\/p>\n
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\nonline at least here in the states go to<\/p>\n
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\nAmazon now and get most of a lot of<\/p>\n
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\nthings in the two hours without even<\/p>\n
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\nneed to move out of my office<\/p>\n
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\nand the reality is that we are getting<\/p>\n
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\nmore and more clutter and a much faster<\/p>\n
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\nspeed that required that we also get<\/p>\n
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\nbetter at processing that I had to get<\/p>\n
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\nrid of it so it’s where it comes<\/p>\n
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\nimportant that you evaluate that<\/p>\n
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\nenvironment that you figured out how to<\/p>\n
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\nkeep it in the pristine place and<\/p>\n
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\ndiscover what you need to do to be able<\/p>\n
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\nto have a really productive one if not<\/p>\n
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\nhey move find a different one you know<\/p>\n
0:48:02.100,0:48:06.300
\nyou get a place where you receive hold<\/p>\n
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\nit you will you work with the clutter<\/p>\n
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\nand then get a place where you can<\/p>\n
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\nreally be productive is that’s possible<\/p>\n
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\nfor you so did you just say that I can<\/p>\n
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\ntell my wife that my cluttered office is<\/p>\n
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\nJeff Bezos is fault not mine hey that’s<\/p>\n
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\nyour wife I just want to be clear just<\/p>\n
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\nwhat be clear that there is you know<\/p>\n
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\nprofessional reinforcement of this<\/p>\n
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\nparticular mindset so she’s not gonna<\/p>\n
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\nbuy it but it’s worth a shot<\/p>\n
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\nI my wife doesn’t buy either but Hays<\/p>\n
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\nalways worth a shot who is that<\/p>\n
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\nthis is another episode of productivity<\/p>\n
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\ncast weekly show about all things<\/p>\n
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