026 - Ways to Build Your External Brain for Greater Productivity - ProductivityCast

026 Ways to Build Your External Brain for Greater Productivity – ProductivityCast

In today’s world, it’s impossible to remember everything we can know. From passwords to tasks to calendar appointments and more, there are data out there that simply don’t belong rolling around clouding up our focus. And, thankfully, we have the ability to externalize this information from retention to recall. In this cast, the ProductivityCast team looks at the concept of the external brain as a productivity enabler. Enjoy! Give us feedback! And, thanks for listening!

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In this Cast

Ray Sidney-Smith

Augusto Pinaud

Francis Wade

Art Gelwicks

Show Notes

Resources we mention, including links to them will be provided here. Please listen to the episode for context.

Getting Things Done by David Allen

Evernote

OneNote

TheBrain

Workflowy

Google Drive

OneDrive

Amazon Cloud Drive

Dropbox

Box

Instapaper

Pocket

IFTTT

OTIXO

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are you ready to manage your work and

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personal world better to live a

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fulfilling productive life then you’ve

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come to the right place

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productivity cast the weekly show about

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all things productivity here are your

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hosts Ray Sidney-Smith and Augusto

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Pinaud with Francis Wade and Art Gelwicks

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welcome back everybody to productivity

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cast the weekly show about all things

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personal productivity I’m Ray Sidney-

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Smith and I’m here with Augusto Pinaud

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Frances Wade and art Galax welcome to

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productivitycast gentlemen wait the

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year hey how you doing we’re gonna be

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talking about today the idea of the

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external brain and I and I just wanted

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to disclaim this for anyone who might be

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listening to us I know a couple of our

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listeners are medical doctors and so for

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those of you who are medical

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professionals please know that we are

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not talking about the the the assistive

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devices and and so forth that are called

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external brains we’re talking about the

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productivity focus concept of the

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external brain but what we’re gonna do

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today in this episode is really define

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what an external brain is we’re then

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gonna talk about why it’s important in

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at least personal productivity for you

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to have an external brain once we are

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all sort of on the same page in terms of

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what it is and then we’re going to talk

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about how each of us potentially uses

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the functions of building an external

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brain so I’m gonna I’m going to turn it

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over to you art to to start sort of the

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co defining process of how do you define

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what an external brain is all right

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we’ve talked about this in previous

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episodes this idea

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Speirs of access and where information

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is really to you and how do you get to

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it and to me this idea of an external

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brain the information that is relevant

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to you but does not need to be

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immediately accessible or at your

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fingertips

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falls into that category because it’s

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not information that I need to keep in

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my head it’s not information I need to

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have on a post-it note on the monitor in

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front of me but it’s information that

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I’m going to encounter during my day

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that I may need again in the future

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it feels like it’s relevant it has

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interest and value to me but I need to

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someplace where I can go get it later

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and when I think about this model I have

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to think that this is almost one of the

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most challenging areas that we have when

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we think about productivity because this

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stuff is probably the big biggest

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candidate of productive clutter that I

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can imagine just thinking about this as

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we brought this topic up

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I went digging back through a lot of my

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external systems looking at things like

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pocket for example which I use for

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offline reading Instapaper and feedly

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and starting to dig through OneNote and

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I’m thinking more about it just the

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plethora of things that I have that

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every time I look at them I go yeah

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that’s interesting that’s relevant I

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mean I want to keep that and then

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literally 10 minutes later I have no

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idea that that’s even in the system so

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I’m curious one how how we all handle

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this idea of important but not critical

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stuff how do we organize it and really

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probably the biggest thing how do we

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keep it from becoming overwhelming I’ll

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say that for me the idea of the external

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brain was first introduced to me through

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really discussions of getting things

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done by David Allen and the idea of your

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brain is for having ideas not holding

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them as David is often quoted as saying

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and this always led me to the

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Einsteinian Khan step right that

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colloquially or sort of mythically

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Einstein never remembered the phone

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numbers of any of the people he knew and

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he would always say I don’t need that

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information because it’s in the phone

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book and that really did clue me in to

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something very important which was that

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yeah we have these tools that were

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available to us like an address book or

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a contact database you know a piece of

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software where we can put all of this

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information so that it didn’t have to be

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rolling around in my head taking up

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space that was unnecessary I’ve always

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had the conflict between the external

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brain and our real brain in the sense

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that my concern is that when I need

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something to be in in my for mind at a

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particular time and location I want to

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be able to Reza

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that information very very quickly I

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want to be able to you know not only

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retain it but be able to recall it very

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very quickly when necessary so there’s

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actually a toggling back and forth

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between what information do we commit to

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you know long-term memory and what

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information do we commit to the external

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brain this long-term external memory

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storage tool or device or devices in

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order to be able to be effective in real

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time I’m not happy with my external

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brain I use a lot of Evernote as my tool

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and of course my harddrive on my laptop

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I am not happy in the sense that it’s

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it’s not it’s not adequately indexed

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it’s not properly tagged it’s sort of a

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real hodgepodge of stuff that’s just

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basically thrown together this is this

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is when it comes to sort of the data

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that I know that I I may need at some

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point in the future so I can’t find it

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with a quick google search so I don’t

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really save the stuff following

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Einstein’s precept that I can’t find

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very quickly with a Google search so

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stuff that would be too hard to find or

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kind of ambiguous

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that’s the stuff I really save I’m not

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altogether happy with with with the

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method of storage or retrieval I like

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the fact that Evernote and other kinds

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of tools like that are there and that

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they work very well but I think there’s

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something missing in my practice in

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terms of how I put something away and

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then how I pull it back out so I’m sort

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of in this one as a student looking to

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improve the way I do things yeah my my

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battle point really when I think about

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it is in two main categories of in I’ve

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got things that I’ve read and things

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that I’ve gathered for lack of a better

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term so if I think about the things that

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I’ve gathered they’re actually a little

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bit easier because everything like that

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goes into OneNote I generate notes I

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take pictures I tag things everything

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goes in there that becomes a trusted

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system equation as long as I am

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consistent in my behavior of putting

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things into that system I know I will

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get them back out should I remember that

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I need them now it doesn’t change the

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fact that I wind up accumulating a lot

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of stuff in

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that I probably don’t need and every so

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often you need to do a digital

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decluttering which I find amusing that

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some people say oh no you know there’s

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no reason we have mass storage just keep

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everything I think we’ve even had this

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discussion I’ll never buy into that

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because I’ll go in there and I’ll look

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and say why the heck do I still have

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that and coming from the old-school

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computer world where bytes were

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expensive I still will go through it

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actually delete things rather than just

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keep them and store them but that yet

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the big challenge for me is the things

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that I read because I try to make as

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much of an effort as possible to read as

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many different sources as I can but I

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can’t keep all of that in my head it

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just for various reasons each being one

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of them so I have to say how am I going

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to reference this information and that’s

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where I struggle because I’m looking at

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different sources of the reading content

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if it’s in Kindle for example you can

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highlight things great if it’s in pocket

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you can highlight and put notes in if

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it’s an instant paper and highlight and

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put notes but they’re all disparate

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systems so I have yet to find one that I

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can consistently use all the time for

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everything to make it the trusted system

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so now I wind up with information in

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various boxes with various sorts of tags

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and highlights I don’t necessarily feel

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like I can go back and say fine you know

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we started talking about this idea of

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mindfulness for example in a

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conversation and I know there was an

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article I was reading about it and I

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won’t able to reference that article to

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someone I don’t remember what system I

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was in when I saw the article I know the

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articles there I know the contents there

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I should be able to hide it but where do

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I start that’s where I run to the

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challenge with this and I would I would

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add I would a sort of potential solution

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is a meta search tool right and there

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are several of them actually on the

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market today that searches against the

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various different software that you have

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in this case cloud storage tools where

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you can you can basically search

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multiple silos of data and I think

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that’s really where the where the future

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is going to go

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I was actually testing and I’m not going

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to mention the product because it has

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recently shut down but I had been

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testing a project product that I thought

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was going to be very very useful and the

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what what it actually did was it

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took its scanned images of your computer

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screen and presumably they would go to

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the effect of taking screenshots of your

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mobile phone screen and then it took

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that information and over time it

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indexed the the pages and the

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information that was showing on screen

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so you started to get this visual index

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of everything that you looked at and

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that way when you search back against it

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you you kind of saw this sort of

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interesting visual matrix of of contexts

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so you were able to see literally what

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you searched when you searched for it

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and it was it was actually really

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interesting

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unfortunately the company has now shut

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down and and so we’re gonna have to look

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to new things there was a product out

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for a long time I think they’re still

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out and it’s a web-based product

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actually it has an install it’s called

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the brain of all of all things and they

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had a personal version and a

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professional version and it dealt with

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informational linking so instead of

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creating hierarchical structures and

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things like Evernote and oneness it was

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literally I have this article and it’s

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about these topics so I’m going to link

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it to these other topic or other items

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that have the same topic and be able to

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work almost I don’t want to use the term

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neural network but almost through that

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kind of logical branching and

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relationship connection I played with it

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for about a year and a half really a

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fascinating tool but you had to be so

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bought into that structural connection

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that it really it almost became a

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project in and of itself there’s another

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great product out there for this kind of

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organization and tying geeses together

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called workflowy which is an outline

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based structure it’s really nice because

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you can drop links into different things

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so I could see almost creating an index

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model there I’m going down a slightly

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different path I just completed a lesson

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for a one-note training that’s going on

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and I’m building out I’m trying to build

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out my own digital assistant for this

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part of the equation so what I’m doing

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is I’m using IFTTT one of my favorite

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applications on the web if this then

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that

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to say that when I mark something in one

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of my readers to go ahead and put a note

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in one note with the context of what I

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just marked so that I can leverage the

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searching capabilities and also have a

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link back to the original content I’m

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trying to build that assistant in a way

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that works with the way I function

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rather than changing the way I function

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to work with those and I have to do that

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because I found this is one of my

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failing areas for this type of a system

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if I don’t work with my natural

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instincts I won’t use it

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90% of the time I will adjust my natural

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instincts to work with an optimal

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process not a problem but for some

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reason I’ve got a blind spot around this

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particular ease that I have to say okay

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if I read it what am I gonna do with it

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and how am I gonna pull it back yes of a

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tool that I was talking about was

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something called ot IX o that I use for

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cloud-based storage search so I can

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search against Evernote I can search

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against my Google Drive and in my case I

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use I have a personal Google Drive and

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then what a Google Drive Thru G suite my

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company based accounts and then several

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others in a Dropbox and box and so and

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so forth so if you keep several

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different cloud storage containers you

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can search against all of those the big

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problem then is that if you have data

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sitting on your local computers the way

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that I’ve solved that is that the new

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sort of Google Drive is now being sort

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of consumed by the new branding which

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will be Google backup and sync so

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Google’s you know many people have been

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hearing about this idea by the time this

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is actually published you all will have

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heard about the fact that Google Drive

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is has somehow gone away it hasn’t gone

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away Google Drive has just been

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rewritten under a new name all of the

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same functions are there plus more and

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one of those plus more tools under

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Google backup and sync is the ability to

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take local Drive documents say I have a

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My Documents folder or or Documents

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folder on the Mac well you can take

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those and add them as selective sync

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folders up to Google Drive so instead of

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taking your Google Drive documents and

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bringing them down to your local dev

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stop you can also back up in essence

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it’s not really back up it’s really

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redundancy and synchronization but the

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point is is that now I have all of that

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information in Google Drive also for

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indexing so I know it’s on my local

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drives based on the the synchronization

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of those folders locally so it’s

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actually very very helpful for me to

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just to go to go to ot IX oh it’s yeah

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it’s ot IX o comm I have no idea how to

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pronounce that so I’m not even gonna try

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but um but you just go there you type in

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a search and it’s not perfect but now it

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is giving me a search against all of my

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systems as opposed to each silo at a

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time it’s interesting because this

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starts to branch into this whole

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conversation around and it’s an

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information architecture one between

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structure and search creation of

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hierarchical mapping and tags versus

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freeform search KB’s and I think with an

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external brain concept I think you’re

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driven more into the open search

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structure just because you would spend

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so much time trying to create a

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comprehensive architecture for this I

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don’t know that it would necessarily

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benefit at a certain way now you would

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have to have a basic architecture but

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you’re talking about like with Google

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Drive and I’m thinking about the same

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thing on one Drive that search ability

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as long as you have some reference that

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the thing that you’re looking for went

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in there then you can pull it back but

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there’s a trust as well I think if

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you’re gonna go down that path for an

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external brain the best investment you

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can make in your time is learning that

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search architecture that whatever that

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tool is this is inside out inside ways I

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mean I know Evernote for example has a

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crazy powerful search capability if I

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remember correctly and OneNote search

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capability doesn’t have the same type of

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structures you can put in but it’s very

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smart about how it reads content reads

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images and pulls information back as

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search context I think the same thing is

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probably applicable to onedrive and to

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Google Drive so if you spend time

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thinking about that

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and making sure that if I go in there

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it’s gonna be able to be indexed and I’m

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gonna be able to pull it back then I

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think you can start to build this stuff

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out it still doesn’t solve this problem

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I have though with again with the

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writing or the reading rather going

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through and saying you know I’ve got

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this 18 page web article that was really

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cool there was a paragraph in it that I

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cared about I didn’t care about the rest

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of it I have to find a way to get that

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nugget out with the connection yeah that

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almost comes to the idea of sort of a

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fluid markup right where you’re able to

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sort of highlight a paragraph and

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identify that with some level of markup

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not even visual markup but just some

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kind of markup that identifies that it’s

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important to your you know and important

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to your world in some way shape or form

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in the future I wanted to add to the

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comment you made about using using cloud

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drives I have started to use them myself

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I once again back to my sort of

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challenges that they’re poorly indexed

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they’re indexed at all but I have seen

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all this space on my hard drive which

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has resulted in my computer running

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quite a bit faster by putting iTunes up

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in the cloud so I used Google Drive and

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I’m using that capability you mentioned

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where you could store certain files on

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Google Drive but not on your own hard

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drive so I’m able to save my iTunes to

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the cloud but not have it saved locally

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and it understands that ok like when I’m

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saving iTunes files I’ll save it

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straight for the clothes so that’s a

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that’s a huge saving for me and I paid I

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think 2 or 3 bucks a month in order to

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get the extra 100 gig of google drive

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space but that’s oh that’s one win but

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but overall sort of the picture is still

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one of a mess where I I have Google

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Drive I love Amazon Drive of I have

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macro sauce version to use very very

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rarely I use Dropbox so I’m using all of

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these different drives but these

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external drives and create external

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brain I can even access some of them

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most of them from my for my smartphone

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but what’s the structure I it’s real

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hodgepodge

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I can’t say that I have like an

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architecture I have more of a

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hit-or-miss situation which leads to the

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problems that are mentioned it’s at some

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times and this is no happening I

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remember just like he said a paragraph

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from an article which is saved somewhere

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it could be an Evernote could be in

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Dropbox it could be on onedrive

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could be in so it could be in one of

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these many many many places and for me

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to F that should remember where did I

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save it under what context in which

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context which was the circumstance what

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was the the logic I used at the moment

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that I think it would fit into this

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folder or it would fit into this topic

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or it would fit so I’m I’m I’m know left

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with a plethora of sort of splintered

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choices and when I look at the overall

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landscape they don’t make any sense I’m

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wasting all the time as you could

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imagine doing searches or even deciding

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where to save something there’s a pause

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where I say to myself am I gonna see

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this in a place where I can find it well

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under what circumstances might I need it

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in the future okay then what keywords

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would I use then and where would i look

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for those to use those keywords and the

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whole thing is just a real it’s just a I

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said a hodgepodge and I wish there were

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some defining rules that I could apply

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some some useful set of like some

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guidelines I would I would I would love

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that I think that’s one of the areas

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that we have to look at the more I’ve

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been thinking about this I realized that

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you’re hitting right on the challenge

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point of this entire equation it’s not

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that the technology can’t do this for us

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it’s the fact that there are almost too

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many options there’s so many ways to

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approach this particular challenge that

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we look at and go okay I could put it

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here I could put it here none of them is

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a hundred percent solution which is

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realistic we’ll never hit a percent

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solution on any of these however in many

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of the cases I’m thinking that you know

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what maybe there is a consistent

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behavior and I go back to an experiment

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I did on myself a while ago where I

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tried to say okay could I use onedrive

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or in this case I was using Google Drive

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could I use Google Drive

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to reproduce everything I was doing

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00:20:04,580 –> 00:20:09,739
OneNote could I use it not only to store

510
00:20:07,460 –> 00:20:12,169
the images that I move but could I also

511
00:20:09,739 –> 00:20:14,509
use it to store file attachments well

512
00:20:12,169 –> 00:20:16,909
those two natural functionality but how

513
00:20:14,509 –> 00:20:18,649
do I handle notes could I use it to take

514
00:20:16,909 –> 00:20:20,869
notes could I use it and that’s when I

515
00:20:18,649 –> 00:20:24,289
had to start to say okay does this make

516
00:20:20,869 –> 00:20:25,729
sense yes technically I could do it I

517
00:20:24,289 –> 00:20:27,259
could keep Doc’s I could store

518
00:20:25,729 –> 00:20:29,599
everything in the docs themselves create

519
00:20:27,259 –> 00:20:32,629
the pages in the architecture I could

520
00:20:29,599 –> 00:20:35,419
reproduce it then Google Drive would be

521
00:20:32,629 –> 00:20:37,700
my single system but again it didn’t

522
00:20:35,419 –> 00:20:38,779
solve every problem and just thinking

523
00:20:37,700 –> 00:20:41,839
about what we were talking about here I

524
00:20:38,779 –> 00:20:44,239
was playing around my my paint my reader

525
00:20:41,839 –> 00:20:45,889
of choice when it comes to stuff off the

526
00:20:44,239 –> 00:20:48,080
web is a tool called Instapaper

527
00:20:45,889 –> 00:20:50,839
I used to use pocket quite a bit loved

528
00:20:48,080 –> 00:20:52,399
pocket great tool instapaper has a nice

529
00:20:50,839 –> 00:20:55,759
feature though where it will strip down

530
00:20:52,399 –> 00:20:57,559
and clean up any web peach so it’s just

531
00:20:55,759 –> 00:21:00,769
the textual content which makes it

532
00:20:57,559 –> 00:21:02,839
wonderful on a mobile device but when I

533
00:21:00,769 –> 00:21:05,749
mentioned earlier learning the tools I

534
00:21:02,839 –> 00:21:07,820
just poked around inside Instapaper and

535
00:21:05,749 –> 00:21:10,489
I found an option that allows me to

536
00:21:07,820 –> 00:21:13,879
search the notes and the highlights I

537
00:21:10,489 –> 00:21:16,099
took so I literally sitting here now

538
00:21:13,879 –> 00:21:18,169
just solve that particular problem I had

539
00:21:16,099 –> 00:21:20,239
it has a folder architecture that I can

540
00:21:18,169 –> 00:21:23,269
leverage and it has the ability to go

541
00:21:20,239 –> 00:21:25,489
through and store an archived content so

542
00:21:23,269 –> 00:21:27,169
great functionality this is an

543
00:21:25,489 –> 00:21:29,719
opportunity for me to go down further

544
00:21:27,169 –> 00:21:32,210
down that path am I likely to run into

545
00:21:29,719 –> 00:21:34,070
another problem yeah it’s gonna happen

546
00:21:32,210 –> 00:21:36,769
pretty much guaranteed but I’m not gonna

547
00:21:34,070 –> 00:21:39,739
let that dissuade me from what appears

548
00:21:36,769 –> 00:21:41,779
to be a good procedural step for me

549
00:21:39,739 –> 00:21:44,559
moving words so I don’t think

550
00:21:41,779 –> 00:21:46,879
unfortunately there is a defined

551
00:21:44,559 –> 00:21:49,849
architecture you know there is no clear

552
00:21:46,879 –> 00:21:52,399
best practice for this mess my

553
00:21:49,849 –> 00:21:55,460
suggestion would be create a flowchart

554
00:21:52,399 –> 00:21:56,450
for yourself say okay this thing comes

555
00:21:55,460 –> 00:21:58,549
into my flow

556
00:21:56,450 –> 00:22:00,049
what am i likely to do with it and then

557
00:21:58,549 –> 00:22:02,450
how am I going to likely access that

558
00:22:00,049 –> 00:22:03,769
information there’s a net there’s an

559
00:22:02,450 –> 00:22:06,619
acronym I use all the time to help

560
00:22:03,769 –> 00:22:08,989
people understand the procedure in CPR

561
00:22:06,619 –> 00:22:11,059
on all your information it’s capture

562
00:22:08,989 –> 00:22:12,259
process report you’ve got to be able to

563
00:22:11,059 –> 00:22:13,609
get it in you’ve got to be able to

564
00:22:12,259 –> 00:22:15,289
manipulate it and you’ve got to be able

565
00:22:13,609 –> 00:22:16,220
to pull it back out at some point

566
00:22:15,289 –> 00:22:17,690
well if

567
00:22:16,220 –> 00:22:19,610
you look at all your information that’s

568
00:22:17,690 –> 00:22:22,400
coming through you should be able to

569
00:22:19,610 –> 00:22:25,039
define a process for yourself it may not

570
00:22:22,400 –> 00:22:26,510
be consistent destinations but you

571
00:22:25,039 –> 00:22:28,010
should be able to define a process for

572
00:22:26,510 –> 00:22:30,080
yourself that you can follow for the

573
00:22:28,010 –> 00:22:31,760
different types of information and then

574
00:22:30,080 –> 00:22:33,140
when you go back to look for it you know

575
00:22:31,760 –> 00:22:34,789
ok that type of thing would have gone

576
00:22:33,140 –> 00:22:36,440
through this little Plinko chart and

577
00:22:34,789 –> 00:22:41,150
wound up here so that’s where I’m gonna

578
00:22:36,440 –> 00:22:43,940
go look so the importance of the

579
00:22:41,150 –> 00:22:49,340
external brain comes there the reality

580
00:22:43,940 –> 00:22:51,230
is your brain is a tool for thing to

581
00:22:49,340 –> 00:22:55,909
make decisions to move forward not just

582
00:22:51,230 –> 00:22:58,370
origin for me and we tend to use it a

583
00:22:55,909 –> 00:23:00,770
lot more than what we should for storage

584
00:22:58,370 –> 00:23:02,690
what this external brain allows you is

585
00:23:00,770 –> 00:23:05,539
to really have the place where

586
00:23:02,690 –> 00:23:06,440
everything can be read you know when I I

587
00:23:05,539 –> 00:23:09,500
remember

588
00:23:06,440 –> 00:23:13,549
think the first time I I have a soda

589
00:23:09,500 –> 00:23:17,450
external brain was with a Cassie I first

590
00:23:13,549 –> 00:23:18,740
PDA this will date me was a Casio dude

591
00:23:17,450 –> 00:23:22,159
you flip it and then he had a little

592
00:23:18,740 –> 00:23:24,230
keyboard to stuff and I don’t remember

593
00:23:22,159 –> 00:23:26,960
even how it’s called but but I start

594
00:23:24,230 –> 00:23:29,000
putting creating notes I turn and I’ve

595
00:23:26,960 –> 00:23:30,830
been migrating those notes from the

596
00:23:29,000 –> 00:23:34,400
Casio to the Palm Pilots you know

597
00:23:30,830 –> 00:23:37,400
different versions of um violets to the

598
00:23:34,400 –> 00:23:40,039
iPhone so but the cool thing is I can

599
00:23:37,400 –> 00:23:42,289
look into and now that are searchable

600
00:23:40,039 –> 00:23:45,530
are even better because I can search for

601
00:23:42,289 –> 00:23:48,110
data that I know my brain don’t need to

602
00:23:45,530 –> 00:23:50,390
remember at all and that’s what we want

603
00:23:48,110 –> 00:23:53,600
for this external brain you know that

604
00:23:50,390 –> 00:23:56,330
allows me to are allowed my brain not to

605
00:23:53,600 –> 00:23:59,000
try to hold of information because my

606
00:23:56,330 –> 00:24:03,169
brain knows that it’s really on their

607
00:23:59,000 –> 00:24:06,409
fingertips and that allows me to to use

608
00:24:03,169 –> 00:24:09,620
my brain for what I think is just by my

609
00:24:06,409 –> 00:24:13,010
role that is make decision to think in a

610
00:24:09,620 –> 00:24:14,990
much more effective way than when I try

611
00:24:13,010 –> 00:24:17,539
to keep everything holding on my brain

612
00:24:14,990 –> 00:24:19,850
because I cannot or I should not and I

613
00:24:17,539 –> 00:24:22,179
understand is bad but on the sense that

614
00:24:19,850 –> 00:24:24,380
I don’t even know a phone number anymore

615
00:24:22,179 –> 00:24:26,720
you know I remember when I was a kid

616
00:24:24,380 –> 00:24:28,309
junior I don’t know ten fifteen you know

617
00:24:26,720 –> 00:24:30,500
your grandparents your uncles their

618
00:24:28,309 –> 00:24:32,390
friends and I don’t know a phone I

619
00:24:30,500 –> 00:24:36,320
I don’t know a lot of information

620
00:24:32,390 –> 00:24:38,150
because it’s all in the external brain

621
00:24:36,320 –> 00:24:40,880
all in the technology and the different

622
00:24:38,150 –> 00:24:45,320
places unlike that a ton of information

623
00:24:40,880 –> 00:24:48,220
but I think that also allow me to move

624
00:24:45,320 –> 00:24:50,480
forward and use my brain in better ways

625
00:24:48,220 –> 00:24:52,940
Thank You GU so I think that’s that’s

626
00:24:50,480 –> 00:24:54,590
really helpful to contextualize you know

627
00:24:52,940 –> 00:24:56,480
why the external brain is important and

628
00:24:54,590 –> 00:24:58,700
now we’re gonna again fast-forward to

629
00:24:56,480 –> 00:25:01,670
the some of the travails in in building

630
00:24:58,700 –> 00:25:05,840
and developing out an external brain

631
00:25:01,670 –> 00:25:06,800
system that works for you and and so I’m

632
00:25:05,840 –> 00:25:09,410
gonna I’m gonna start off with

633
00:25:06,800 –> 00:25:11,660
potentially trying to answer some of art

634
00:25:09,410 –> 00:25:13,490
and Francis’s questions as it relates

635
00:25:11,660 –> 00:25:15,800
and challenges as it relates to this so

636
00:25:13,490 –> 00:25:17,780
let me start let me start here with just

637
00:25:15,800 –> 00:25:20,930
sort of a flushing out of what I do and

638
00:25:17,780 –> 00:25:23,750
in terms of in terms of addressing it

639
00:25:20,930 –> 00:25:26,840
and then the particulars we can we can

640
00:25:23,750 –> 00:25:29,630
talk about as well so I always think

641
00:25:26,840 –> 00:25:31,880
that a hybrid of some kind of structure

642
00:25:29,630 –> 00:25:33,950
and then understanding how to search

643
00:25:31,880 –> 00:25:36,620
going back to arts earlier thoughts on

644
00:25:33,950 –> 00:25:38,180
this matter you need both I I really

645
00:25:36,620 –> 00:25:40,400
sincerely don’t believe that you can

646
00:25:38,180 –> 00:25:42,560
always find everything through the

647
00:25:40,400 –> 00:25:44,990
search and to some extent you don’t need

648
00:25:42,560 –> 00:25:47,420
to so therefore there is a way in which

649
00:25:44,990 –> 00:25:49,400
you can create a hybrid of that system I

650
00:25:47,420 –> 00:25:52,250
do that through creating what I call

651
00:25:49,400 –> 00:25:54,560
life categories and you can call this

652
00:25:52,250 –> 00:25:57,020
whatever you want but you in essence

653
00:25:54,560 –> 00:25:59,510
have to take your world and split it up

654
00:25:57,020 –> 00:26:00,890
into chunks into pieces of a pie if you

655
00:25:59,510 –> 00:26:02,900
want to think about it as slices of a

656
00:26:00,890 –> 00:26:05,570
pie but in essence you need to create

657
00:26:02,900 –> 00:26:07,940
some hierarchy of a folder structure or

658
00:26:05,570 –> 00:26:10,280
buckets of some kind and Evernote

659
00:26:07,940 –> 00:26:12,020
there’s sacks and notebooks in onedrive

660
00:26:10,280 –> 00:26:14,390
Dropbox Google Drive and otherwise

661
00:26:12,020 –> 00:26:16,940
they’re going to be folders but I think

662
00:26:14,390 –> 00:26:19,700
as few folders as possible that help

663
00:26:16,940 –> 00:26:21,500
contain the areas of your life and give

664
00:26:19,700 –> 00:26:24,860
you some example you might have a folder

665
00:26:21,500 –> 00:26:27,800
called personal finances a folder called

666
00:26:24,860 –> 00:26:30,650
legal a folder called health a folder

667
00:26:27,800 –> 00:26:32,210
called personal a folder called family

668
00:26:30,650 –> 00:26:35,570
whatever they might be and you’re gonna

669
00:26:32,210 –> 00:26:37,610
list those categories and those become

670
00:26:35,570 –> 00:26:39,410
the structure across all of your systems

671
00:26:37,610 –> 00:26:42,169
right so you might have those same

672
00:26:39,410 –> 00:26:43,999
folders become separate calendars

673
00:26:42,169 –> 00:26:46,190
in your calendar system so all your

674
00:26:43,999 –> 00:26:48,559
family events go on one calendar all of

675
00:26:46,190 –> 00:26:50,509
your work events go on your professional

676
00:26:48,559 –> 00:26:52,879
calendar all of your all of your

677
00:26:50,509 –> 00:26:55,549
meetings with your financial adviser or

678
00:26:52,879 –> 00:26:57,409
with your tax accountant or otherwise

679
00:26:55,549 –> 00:26:59,989
would go on your finances calendar and

680
00:26:57,409 –> 00:27:02,359
in essence a calendar allows you to see

681
00:26:59,989 –> 00:27:04,460
them all overlaid on top of one another

682
00:27:02,359 –> 00:27:06,739
but now they’re gonna be color-coded you

683
00:27:04,460 –> 00:27:09,139
can you can play with that data in a

684
00:27:06,739 –> 00:27:11,559
contextualized fashion you can create

685
00:27:09,139 –> 00:27:13,609
those same notebooks and stacks in

686
00:27:11,559 –> 00:27:16,489
Evernote you can create those same

687
00:27:13,609 –> 00:27:19,100
labels or folders in your Gmail or

688
00:27:16,489 –> 00:27:21,799
outlook right across the board now you

689
00:27:19,100 –> 00:27:24,320
have an overarching infrastructure that

690
00:27:21,799 –> 00:27:26,779
allows you to file that is move things

691
00:27:24,320 –> 00:27:28,399
out of your inboxes and then into the

692
00:27:26,779 –> 00:27:30,789
infrastructure very easily and naturally

693
00:27:28,399 –> 00:27:33,409
because because if they are all

694
00:27:30,789 –> 00:27:35,539
primarily the same then you’re not

695
00:27:33,409 –> 00:27:37,999
thinking so much about where things have

696
00:27:35,539 –> 00:27:39,440
to go once you get comfortable and it

697
00:27:37,999 –> 00:27:41,840
becomes habitual for you to move those

698
00:27:39,440 –> 00:27:43,190
things then search takes over at that

699
00:27:41,840 –> 00:27:46,009
point you know then you need to think

700
00:27:43,190 –> 00:27:48,230
about naming conventions tags and other

701
00:27:46,009 –> 00:27:50,149
mechanisms other kinds of markup or

702
00:27:48,230 –> 00:27:51,859
metadata that allows you to be able to

703
00:27:50,149 –> 00:27:54,019
search against that data but I think

704
00:27:51,859 –> 00:27:55,399
those big broad buckets help you to be

705
00:27:54,019 –> 00:27:57,109
able to say okay well I’m looking for

706
00:27:55,399 –> 00:27:59,509
something for medical well let me click

707
00:27:57,109 –> 00:28:01,009
on the medical label in Gmail or look on

708
00:27:59,509 –> 00:28:04,309
look in the medical notebook in Evernote

709
00:28:01,009 –> 00:28:06,379
and now the search is very much more

710
00:28:04,309 –> 00:28:08,450
defined so that if you look for receipts

711
00:28:06,379 –> 00:28:10,879
right you’re tat you tagged something as

712
00:28:08,450 –> 00:28:12,590
receipts you’re only looking in medical

713
00:28:10,879 –> 00:28:14,119
because you’re looking for medical

714
00:28:12,590 –> 00:28:15,619
receipts you’re not looking for receipts

715
00:28:14,119 –> 00:28:17,960
that you paid for for a recent family

716
00:28:15,619 –> 00:28:19,789
vacation right these things become much

717
00:28:17,960 –> 00:28:21,139
more natural and fluid for you and I

718
00:28:19,789 –> 00:28:22,940
think there’s a structure there an

719
00:28:21,139 –> 00:28:25,489
infrastructure there that with a little

720
00:28:22,940 –> 00:28:27,830
bit of modification it became it becomes

721
00:28:25,489 –> 00:28:29,960
very very useful for you as an

722
00:28:27,830 –> 00:28:31,940
individual in being able to blend both

723
00:28:29,960 –> 00:28:34,029
hierarchical structure you know

724
00:28:31,940 –> 00:28:37,220
broad-based hierarchical structure and

725
00:28:34,029 –> 00:28:40,009
search that goes though to the key of

726
00:28:37,220 –> 00:28:41,960
understanding how your system the tool

727
00:28:40,009 –> 00:28:44,269
itself works because you have to make

728
00:28:41,960 –> 00:28:46,759
sure that the tool supports that kind of

729
00:28:44,269 –> 00:28:48,970
narrowed search capability and you know

730
00:28:46,759 –> 00:28:51,799
how to get into that functionality

731
00:28:48,970 –> 00:28:54,769
absolutely I’m actually I had a question

732
00:28:51,799 –> 00:28:55,910
of art he mentioned CPR before capture

733
00:28:54,769 –> 00:28:57,740
process report

734
00:28:55,910 –> 00:29:00,380
and I wonder if he could tell us a

735
00:28:57,740 –> 00:29:03,060
little bit about the the subtasks that

736
00:29:00,380 –> 00:29:06,120
are under each of those headings

737
00:29:03,060 –> 00:29:09,180
sure that the idea for capture process

738
00:29:06,120 –> 00:29:12,080
report is when you think about the first

739
00:29:09,180 –> 00:29:14,820
step and the the capture piece that’s

740
00:29:12,080 –> 00:29:17,250
origin of the content itself that’s

741
00:29:14,820 –> 00:29:19,740
going to go into your system the trigger

742
00:29:17,250 –> 00:29:22,680
that indicates it’s an actionable piece

743
00:29:19,740 –> 00:29:24,360
of information and basically the

744
00:29:22,680 –> 00:29:27,510
compression how do you squeeze it into

745
00:29:24,360 –> 00:29:29,070
your system so if you think about the

746
00:29:27,510 –> 00:29:30,630
origin of the item you have all the

747
00:29:29,070 –> 00:29:33,030
disparate pieces you may have written

748
00:29:30,630 –> 00:29:36,240
text you may have online text web pages

749
00:29:33,030 –> 00:29:39,570
feed readers you name it the action part

750
00:29:36,240 –> 00:29:41,280
or the trigger part is what in that sets

751
00:29:39,570 –> 00:29:43,920
the flag in your brain either

752
00:29:41,280 –> 00:29:45,720
immediately or procedurally that that’s

753
00:29:43,920 –> 00:29:47,490
something that you need to retain that

754
00:29:45,720 –> 00:29:49,800
you’ve got to in your system and it

755
00:29:47,490 –> 00:29:51,690
doesn’t push it from the second sphere

756
00:29:49,800 –> 00:29:54,660
of influence which is important and

757
00:29:51,690 –> 00:29:56,160
accessible out to globally searchable or

758
00:29:54,660 –> 00:29:57,660
generally searchable something that you

759
00:29:56,160 –> 00:29:59,760
could probably go back and search in

760
00:29:57,660 –> 00:30:01,440
Google for and find again if you did too

761
00:29:59,760 –> 00:30:04,920
with just the vague recollection that

762
00:30:01,440 –> 00:30:07,850
you had seen it simple so really the sea

763
00:30:04,920 –> 00:30:11,160
has three main steps if we think about

764
00:30:07,850 –> 00:30:13,110
the pea and if I continue to use the the

765
00:30:11,160 –> 00:30:15,060
CPR analogy with that if you think about

766
00:30:13,110 –> 00:30:16,950
at that point you’ve completed the

767
00:30:15,060 –> 00:30:19,770
compression for our CPR compression

768
00:30:16,950 –> 00:30:23,070
blood is circulating air is circulating

769
00:30:19,770 –> 00:30:25,350
so the process is how does that piece of

770
00:30:23,070 –> 00:30:26,910
information that you’ve now grabbed move

771
00:30:25,350 –> 00:30:29,940
through your system is it

772
00:30:26,910 –> 00:30:32,730
one clear cycle where it’s going through

773
00:30:29,940 –> 00:30:34,080
just from point A to point B maybe going

774
00:30:32,730 –> 00:30:36,030
straight from whatever you’ve captured

775
00:30:34,080 –> 00:30:38,160
it to right into Evernote or does it

776
00:30:36,030 –> 00:30:40,230
have to go through multiple steps does

777
00:30:38,160 –> 00:30:41,880
it in my case it’s going from a feed

778
00:30:40,230 –> 00:30:43,590
reader to Instapaper

779
00:30:41,880 –> 00:30:45,840
where I’m then going to go through and

780
00:30:43,590 –> 00:30:47,490
review it and mark it up what happens to

781
00:30:45,840 –> 00:30:49,290
it then what’s the cycle of it and

782
00:30:47,490 –> 00:30:52,650
what’s it like its life cycle within

783
00:30:49,290 –> 00:30:55,890
that so P is not really individual steps

784
00:30:52,650 –> 00:30:58,200
it’s more of defining that life cycle

785
00:30:55,890 –> 00:31:00,690
the challenge with P is that it can be

786
00:30:58,200 –> 00:31:03,510
multiple parallel paths depending on

787
00:31:00,690 –> 00:31:06,540
what’s moving through it so you may have

788
00:31:03,510 –> 00:31:09,930
a different process execution for

789
00:31:06,540 –> 00:31:11,760
reading material versus maybe a brochure

790
00:31:09,930 –> 00:31:14,040
for something that you’re looking into

791
00:31:11,760 –> 00:31:16,350
purchasing different exercise different

792
00:31:14,040 –> 00:31:18,270
purpose for that content so

793
00:31:16,350 –> 00:31:19,440
instead of it being blood it may be air

794
00:31:18,270 –> 00:31:22,380
you want to follow those analogies

795
00:31:19,440 –> 00:31:23,580
finally the report part how are you

796
00:31:22,380 –> 00:31:24,929
going to pull it back and what are you

797
00:31:23,580 –> 00:31:26,429
going to do with that information when

798
00:31:24,929 –> 00:31:29,070
you look back so if you’re going to pull

799
00:31:26,429 –> 00:31:30,450
something back for your own use where

800
00:31:29,070 –> 00:31:32,549
are you going to do it or is it gonna be

801
00:31:30,450 –> 00:31:34,230
mobile is it gonna be desktop how do you

802
00:31:32,549 –> 00:31:36,000
want to be able to consume that again is

803
00:31:34,230 –> 00:31:37,590
it you just want the text or you want it

804
00:31:36,000 –> 00:31:40,980
to look like you originally saw it and

805
00:31:37,590 –> 00:31:42,870
third is it just you that’s going to use

806
00:31:40,980 –> 00:31:44,340
that information or do you need to be

807
00:31:42,870 –> 00:31:46,860
able to pull that information back and

808
00:31:44,340 –> 00:31:48,690
then share it with someone else well if

809
00:31:46,860 –> 00:31:50,640
you’re gonna have the sharing part there

810
00:31:48,690 –> 00:31:52,590
were the extended reporting that’s a

811
00:31:50,640 –> 00:31:53,610
whole different conversation because now

812
00:31:52,590 –> 00:31:54,570
you’ve got to think about well how am I

813
00:31:53,610 –> 00:31:57,240
going to get this system this

814
00:31:54,570 –> 00:31:59,669
information out of my system so I use

815
00:31:57,240 –> 00:32:03,150
the CPR analogy because I think if you

816
00:31:59,669 –> 00:32:06,510
break it down to those types of steps

817
00:32:03,150 –> 00:32:08,970
you can really wrap a process around

818
00:32:06,510 –> 00:32:10,620
this intangible stuff that you have

819
00:32:08,970 –> 00:32:12,600
coming in and how you’re going to

820
00:32:10,620 –> 00:32:14,250
manipulate it at a high level I’ll

821
00:32:12,600 –> 00:32:16,500
actually I’m in the process of writing

822
00:32:14,250 –> 00:32:19,710
an article right now but I’ll detail it

823
00:32:16,500 –> 00:32:21,659
out and more detail around how CPR truly

824
00:32:19,710 –> 00:32:22,770
works at least from my perspective when

825
00:32:21,659 –> 00:32:27,539
it comes to this kind of information

826
00:32:22,770 –> 00:32:32,190
life cycle and I think the the immediate

827
00:32:27,539 –> 00:32:36,990
value to me is its weight it’s a way to

828
00:32:32,190 –> 00:32:40,409
weed out the next day xDrive or the next

829
00:32:36,990 –> 00:32:42,210
storage software or the next external

830
00:32:40,409 –> 00:32:44,309
brain possibility that gets offered to

831
00:32:42,210 –> 00:32:45,299
me because chances are by the end of the

832
00:32:44,309 –> 00:32:47,130
week there’s gonna be something that’s

833
00:32:45,299 –> 00:32:49,980
gonna catch my eye I’m gonna say ooh

834
00:32:47,130 –> 00:32:52,860
nice bright shiny object ooh free

835
00:32:49,980 –> 00:32:55,710
storage whoo and I’ll go sign up for it

836
00:32:52,860 –> 00:32:57,480
with absolutely no plan in mind as to

837
00:32:55,710 –> 00:32:59,460
how it fits into anything else or what

838
00:32:57,480 –> 00:33:01,620
I’m gonna use it for but I’ll just use

839
00:32:59,460 –> 00:33:06,780
it I’ll sign up for it because hey it’s

840
00:33:01,620 –> 00:33:10,010
free but there’s a cost to doing that it

841
00:33:06,780 –> 00:33:12,659
doesn’t have to exclude new systems

842
00:33:10,010 –> 00:33:14,669
because if you think if I parallel it to

843
00:33:12,659 –> 00:33:16,470
something that a lot of us do anymore

844
00:33:14,669 –> 00:33:18,000
you know health tracking and you have

845
00:33:16,470 –> 00:33:20,100
your fitness tracker your Fitbit or you

846
00:33:18,000 –> 00:33:22,650
gear Pro or whatever you have that’s an

847
00:33:20,100 –> 00:33:24,540
information stream coming to you that

848
00:33:22,650 –> 00:33:26,730
has to be captured processed and

849
00:33:24,540 –> 00:33:29,940
reported on for it to be useful however

850
00:33:26,730 –> 00:33:32,370
that may not be going in to Google draw

851
00:33:29,940 –> 00:33:34,740
it may not be going into OneNote it may

852
00:33:32,370 –> 00:33:37,200
be going into a dedicated application

853
00:33:34,740 –> 00:33:39,570
that has a specific function to provide

854
00:33:37,200 –> 00:33:41,610
that information back however there is

855
00:33:39,570 –> 00:33:44,669
no way I can tell you what my average

856
00:33:41,610 –> 00:33:47,070
pulse rate was three weeks ago but I may

857
00:33:44,669 –> 00:33:49,799
want to know that at some point so if we

858
00:33:47,070 –> 00:33:52,230
look at this external brain process I

859
00:33:49,799 –> 00:33:54,419
can define for this type of information

860
00:33:52,230 –> 00:33:56,399
this is where it’s going to go and this

861
00:33:54,419 –> 00:33:58,679
is how I’m gonna call it but I have to

862
00:33:56,399 –> 00:34:01,470
go through the effort of mapping that

863
00:33:58,679 –> 00:34:03,330
for myself so that later on when I say

864
00:34:01,470 –> 00:34:04,379
hey I had this type of information what

865
00:34:03,330 –> 00:34:06,750
do I do with it

866
00:34:04,379 –> 00:34:08,609
I can look at my map and say oh okay

867
00:34:06,750 –> 00:34:09,899
that’s where it’s supposed to go and be

868
00:34:08,609 –> 00:34:11,909
able to put it there in a consistent

869
00:34:09,899 –> 00:34:14,550
behavior I think that’s the more I

870
00:34:11,909 –> 00:34:16,829
ponder this that’s where people get off

871
00:34:14,550 –> 00:34:19,290
the rails because they don’t create a

872
00:34:16,829 –> 00:34:22,169
map for themselves as to what their

873
00:34:19,290 –> 00:34:23,909
external brain should be they don’t give

874
00:34:22,169 –> 00:34:26,490
a little diagram of their neurons in

875
00:34:23,909 –> 00:34:27,899
their external brain something comes in

876
00:34:26,490 –> 00:34:29,700
it’s got to move through it’s got to

877
00:34:27,899 –> 00:34:31,619
come out and it should be consistent if

878
00:34:29,700 –> 00:34:33,149
I have to think about what that route is

879
00:34:31,619 –> 00:34:35,730
every time I’ve just made it more

880
00:34:33,149 –> 00:34:39,510
complex for myself not easier hence the

881
00:34:35,730 –> 00:34:41,790
need for a flow type exactly awesome or

882
00:34:39,510 –> 00:34:43,770
a mind map hey if you’re a mind map err

883
00:34:41,790 –> 00:34:46,020
and I love mind mapping I think it’s a

884
00:34:43,770 –> 00:34:47,220
fantastic tool mind mapping is a great

885
00:34:46,020 –> 00:34:48,869
way to approach this because it

886
00:34:47,220 –> 00:34:49,919
eliminates a lot of the core structure

887
00:34:48,869 –> 00:34:51,810
needed with a flowchart

888
00:34:49,919 –> 00:34:53,579
but it still gives you all those little

889
00:34:51,810 –> 00:34:57,149
boxes as to how something’s going to

890
00:34:53,579 –> 00:34:59,010
move aid to B to C to D so I did want in

891
00:34:57,149 –> 00:35:01,170
the time that we have left for our

892
00:34:59,010 –> 00:35:03,780
listeners to get a little bit of a

893
00:35:01,170 –> 00:35:06,150
framework in terms of if you’re if

894
00:35:03,780 –> 00:35:07,740
you’re new to the external brain concept

895
00:35:06,150 –> 00:35:10,170
and and you likely are new to the

896
00:35:07,740 –> 00:35:12,089
concept though you have been utilizing

897
00:35:10,170 –> 00:35:14,760
it in some way shape or form in your

898
00:35:12,089 –> 00:35:17,339
life already that is you probably have a

899
00:35:14,760 –> 00:35:20,609
contacts app right on your phone or on

900
00:35:17,339 –> 00:35:22,710
your computer or otherwise maybe you

901
00:35:20,609 –> 00:35:24,810
have a paper-based address book as my

902
00:35:22,710 –> 00:35:27,630
mom does my mom keeps still a thorough

903
00:35:24,810 –> 00:35:29,520
well annotated address book with every

904
00:35:27,630 –> 00:35:31,230
birthday and address and phone number

905
00:35:29,520 –> 00:35:34,140
with updates and so and so forth she

906
00:35:31,230 –> 00:35:37,500
she’s her own little computer and the

907
00:35:34,140 –> 00:35:40,380
idea though is that you take that area

908
00:35:37,500 –> 00:35:42,730
of your world and see how you’re

909
00:35:40,380 –> 00:35:46,060
fundamentally succeeding and

910
00:35:42,730 –> 00:35:48,580
for falling tripping up stumbling in in

911
00:35:46,060 –> 00:35:50,290
that process and try to shore it up try

912
00:35:48,580 –> 00:35:52,000
to figure out what are the missing

913
00:35:50,290 –> 00:35:54,640
elements just take that moment a

914
00:35:52,000 –> 00:35:56,200
reflection and review and then plan out

915
00:35:54,640 –> 00:35:58,180
a new way in which you’re going to

916
00:35:56,200 –> 00:36:00,070
address it there are some some basic

917
00:35:58,180 –> 00:36:02,920
fundamentals I used to I used to tutor

918
00:36:00,070 –> 00:36:05,260
reading in for elementary school

919
00:36:02,920 –> 00:36:07,510
students and we always talked about

920
00:36:05,260 –> 00:36:09,609
reading as decoding right understanding

921
00:36:07,510 –> 00:36:11,020
the parts of a word or those kinds of

922
00:36:09,609 –> 00:36:13,510
things basically as you’re taking

923
00:36:11,020 –> 00:36:15,430
information in how are you how are you

924
00:36:13,510 –> 00:36:17,500
breaking it into chunks that are

925
00:36:15,430 –> 00:36:19,060
relatable so what are the natural chunks

926
00:36:17,500 –> 00:36:21,310
that things are broken up into and

927
00:36:19,060 –> 00:36:23,380
that’s where in my sort of methodology

928
00:36:21,310 –> 00:36:25,030
you create that hierarchy

929
00:36:23,380 –> 00:36:27,040
what’s the hierarchy of things in your

930
00:36:25,030 –> 00:36:28,990
world then it’s comprehension do I

931
00:36:27,040 –> 00:36:31,960
understand the information that’s

932
00:36:28,990 –> 00:36:34,300
happening in my world so we we rely on

933
00:36:31,960 –> 00:36:35,800
decoding to comprehend right because we

934
00:36:34,300 –> 00:36:37,540
we need to break things apart and then

935
00:36:35,800 –> 00:36:39,640
we need to understand those individual

936
00:36:37,540 –> 00:36:41,350
components as well then comes to

937
00:36:39,640 –> 00:36:43,510
retention where am I going to put those

938
00:36:41,350 –> 00:36:45,820
chunks in order to be able to most

939
00:36:43,510 –> 00:36:49,690
appropriately access them at the right

940
00:36:45,820 –> 00:36:52,960
place and time right so that that nexus

941
00:36:49,690 –> 00:36:55,900
of those three points I need or want it

942
00:36:52,960 –> 00:36:58,630
right so need or want and then place in

943
00:36:55,900 –> 00:37:00,850
time where am I and at what times in my

944
00:36:58,630 –> 00:37:02,619
day week month year do I need that

945
00:37:00,850 –> 00:37:05,800
information or a specific date and time

946
00:37:02,619 –> 00:37:09,460
then there’s recall on the other side of

947
00:37:05,800 –> 00:37:11,710
that so at the point in which I need it

948
00:37:09,460 –> 00:37:14,200
at a place in time how do I bring that

949
00:37:11,710 –> 00:37:16,300
information out so that it’s relevant to

950
00:37:14,200 –> 00:37:17,680
me so you have a couple of components

951
00:37:16,300 –> 00:37:20,109
that you need to really deal with when

952
00:37:17,680 –> 00:37:22,690
it comes to building a an external brain

953
00:37:20,109 –> 00:37:25,330
and in almost every one of those

954
00:37:22,690 –> 00:37:26,830
categories of your life as as arts set

955
00:37:25,330 –> 00:37:29,320
at the top you know there are things

956
00:37:26,830 –> 00:37:31,090
that he might put into onedrive or

957
00:37:29,320 –> 00:37:34,450
Google Drive or otherwise that he

958
00:37:31,090 –> 00:37:37,270
wouldn’t put into OneNote and vice versa

959
00:37:34,450 –> 00:37:38,680
because it they satisfy different

960
00:37:37,270 –> 00:37:40,270
functions they have different features

961
00:37:38,680 –> 00:37:42,460
and I think we all have to take that

962
00:37:40,270 –> 00:37:45,970
into account as we’re developing and

963
00:37:42,460 –> 00:37:48,790
building out our our external brains I’m

964
00:37:45,970 –> 00:37:50,830
you bring an interesting comment and I

965
00:37:48,790 –> 00:37:53,859
hope my mother do not listen to this

966
00:37:50,830 –> 00:37:56,440
year because it’s important to remember

967
00:37:53,859 –> 00:37:58,870
that that external brain

968
00:37:56,440 –> 00:38:01,510
even if you share the information or not

969
00:37:58,870 –> 00:38:05,400
it’s meant to work for you my mother

970
00:38:01,510 –> 00:38:08,710
probably has your spray has her own

971
00:38:05,400 –> 00:38:11,650
documentation but it’s really nobody can

972
00:38:08,710 –> 00:38:14,800
use it because if you say oh let me find

973
00:38:11,650 –> 00:38:17,530
Rey well you know a normal person if we

974
00:38:14,800 –> 00:38:20,890
try to find information Rey will try the

975
00:38:17,530 –> 00:38:24,100
r4 right or the s4 Sydney Smith okay

976
00:38:20,890 –> 00:38:25,750
my mother may have it on the F and when

977
00:38:24,100 –> 00:38:27,190
you one their mother what does some they

978
00:38:25,750 –> 00:38:30,940
have well that’s friend of a booster it

979
00:38:27,190 –> 00:38:33,450
makes total sense okay that’s that’s how

980
00:38:30,940 –> 00:38:36,220
my mother has Asian yeah okay so

981
00:38:33,450 –> 00:38:39,360
whatever she had on that external brain

982
00:38:36,220 –> 00:38:42,790
of hers okay it’s really only accessible

983
00:38:39,360 –> 00:38:45,550
to her and nobody else unless you can go

984
00:38:42,790 –> 00:38:47,380
and think like her but but but that is

985
00:38:45,550 –> 00:38:49,830
important even if you have it on the

986
00:38:47,380 –> 00:38:52,750
digital don’t think it me to be on a

987
00:38:49,830 –> 00:38:54,730
particular way or or in a way that

988
00:38:52,750 –> 00:38:57,790
others can come and interact with this

989
00:38:54,730 –> 00:39:01,180
this is design or should be designed and

990
00:38:57,790 –> 00:39:04,120
built for you and if you need to put art

991
00:39:01,180 –> 00:39:05,260
Francis and Rey on the F because our

992
00:39:04,120 –> 00:39:07,960
friends are my kids

993
00:39:05,260 –> 00:39:10,210
that’s fine if you know that your brain

994
00:39:07,960 –> 00:39:12,940
will be able to retrieve it there

995
00:39:10,210 –> 00:39:14,440
instead of a star thinking oh great now

996
00:39:12,940 –> 00:39:16,330
I need to think of what is the name of

997
00:39:14,440 –> 00:39:19,030
this friend of my son that I have no

998
00:39:16,330 –> 00:39:22,840
clue and I think a star with an R or an

999
00:39:19,030 –> 00:39:27,250
S so building this brain external brain

1000
00:39:22,840 –> 00:39:29,770
also have those exclusive things and and

1001
00:39:27,250 –> 00:39:32,260
unique so keep it you know I agree there

1002
00:39:29,770 –> 00:39:35,230
thinks that their natural place is

1003
00:39:32,260 –> 00:39:37,480
droplet or pot or one net or Evernote

1004
00:39:35,230 –> 00:39:41,980
and it’s okay

1005
00:39:37,480 –> 00:39:43,870
as far as it’s built for you and for you

1006
00:39:41,980 –> 00:39:48,250
to find that information and you’re not

1007
00:39:43,870 –> 00:39:50,140
trying to make it so other scans I you

1008
00:39:48,250 –> 00:39:52,810
know you’ve hit it right on the nose

1009
00:39:50,140 –> 00:39:55,180
there I can’t help but think about the

1010
00:39:52,810 –> 00:39:58,210
axiom that says something’s not truly

1011
00:39:55,180 –> 00:39:59,620
lost until mom can’t find it I know

1012
00:39:58,210 –> 00:40:02,200
that’s the way it works in our house

1013
00:39:59,620 –> 00:40:04,900
because she’s coordinating you know

1014
00:40:02,200 –> 00:40:06,400
these four years these three crazy

1015
00:40:04,900 –> 00:40:09,999
little people running around the house

1016
00:40:06,400 –> 00:40:12,759
and also her spouse and being able to

1017
00:40:09,999 –> 00:40:15,309
keep things organized and know where

1018
00:40:12,759 –> 00:40:17,079
things are and Ray I think it’s it’s

1019
00:40:15,309 –> 00:40:19,209
great that your mom’s rocking a an

1020
00:40:17,079 –> 00:40:21,429
analog system I think that’s fantastic

1021
00:40:19,209 –> 00:40:24,429
because that’s her system and it works

1022
00:40:21,429 –> 00:40:26,499
for her and she’s able to to find what

1023
00:40:24,429 –> 00:40:28,449
she needs and knows that it’s there but

1024
00:40:26,499 –> 00:40:31,419
the most important part is she trusts it

1025
00:40:28,449 –> 00:40:34,419
she trusts her system it’s one of those

1026
00:40:31,419 –> 00:40:38,319
things I think we could talk about in

1027
00:40:34,419 –> 00:40:40,959
more detail when we think about system

1028
00:40:38,319 –> 00:40:42,759
transfers but yeah definitely build

1029
00:40:40,959 –> 00:40:45,369
build stuff up the way you are

1030
00:40:42,759 –> 00:40:47,919
that’s absolutely right on the target

1031
00:40:45,369 –> 00:40:50,829
there I do stuff there is two things

1032
00:40:47,919 –> 00:40:52,929
that I will consider or or there’s two

1033
00:40:50,829 –> 00:40:56,079
things I will live or would like to live

1034
00:40:52,929 –> 00:41:00,639
mine one is consistent the other one is

1035
00:40:56,079 –> 00:41:02,739
portability technology change on some of

1036
00:41:00,639 –> 00:41:06,369
that information will stay with you for

1037
00:41:02,739 –> 00:41:10,539
a really long so make sure that whatever

1038
00:41:06,369 –> 00:41:13,179
you build that external brain it can be

1039
00:41:10,539 –> 00:41:16,449
portal it can be exported it can be

1040
00:41:13,179 –> 00:41:19,449
taken to a different format because

1041
00:41:16,449 –> 00:41:22,959
there is nothing worse than have all

1042
00:41:19,449 –> 00:41:25,329
that fantastic brain outside all that

1043
00:41:22,959 –> 00:41:27,669
external brain all configure and all

1044
00:41:25,329 –> 00:41:30,879
that and then the platform you were

1045
00:41:27,669 –> 00:41:33,339
using disappearing or even worse trying

1046
00:41:30,879 –> 00:41:35,919
to get back to it in five years later

1047
00:41:33,339 –> 00:41:37,899
because you know it wasn’t so and so

1048
00:41:35,919 –> 00:41:39,969
piece of software and now there is

1049
00:41:37,899 –> 00:41:43,029
nothing that can open that file and is

1050
00:41:39,969 –> 00:41:46,719
completely incompatible so whatever that

1051
00:41:43,029 –> 00:41:48,999
external brain is and whatever platform

1052
00:41:46,719 –> 00:41:51,969
you decide to trust for that make sure

1053
00:41:48,999 –> 00:41:56,469
that you will be able to export you know

1054
00:41:51,969 –> 00:41:59,529
if years ago when Evernote came out

1055
00:41:56,469 –> 00:42:02,109
Evernote did not have a nice way to

1056
00:41:59,529 –> 00:42:05,019
export and was the reason I originally

1057
00:42:02,109 –> 00:42:07,779
walk away from it until they came with a

1058
00:42:05,019 –> 00:42:09,909
nicer way to export your notes because I

1059
00:42:07,779 –> 00:42:12,429
did not wanted to put up with all the

1060
00:42:09,909 –> 00:42:14,739
information as they were asking for or

1061
00:42:12,429 –> 00:42:17,709
you know or proposing that the software

1062
00:42:14,739 –> 00:42:20,169
could do but then not being able to take

1063
00:42:17,709 –> 00:42:23,109
this information out or at least not in

1064
00:42:20,169 –> 00:42:23,860
an easy way so pay attention to that

1065
00:42:23,109 –> 00:42:26,710
part

1066
00:42:23,860 –> 00:42:29,350
the portability yes you hope you are not

1067
00:42:26,710 –> 00:42:32,110
going to change platforms but as I was

1068
00:42:29,350 –> 00:42:36,040
discussing last week with somebody this

1069
00:42:32,110 –> 00:42:37,150
person leave on an Apple ecosystem okay

1070
00:42:36,040 –> 00:42:40,650
same as I do

1071
00:42:37,150 –> 00:42:43,300
iPhone everything work just came and

1072
00:42:40,650 –> 00:42:46,120
decided to change some of the machines

1073
00:42:43,300 –> 00:42:47,740
and now he got from work that he need to

1074
00:42:46,120 –> 00:42:51,580
use because that’s where the software

1075
00:42:47,740 –> 00:42:55,030
that they rely on is he got an Android

1076
00:42:51,580 –> 00:42:57,340
phone and an Android tablet so he has

1077
00:42:55,030 –> 00:43:01,330
two options he can carry two devices now

1078
00:42:57,340 –> 00:43:03,460
or he can move everything to Android the

1079
00:43:01,330 –> 00:43:07,120
second option is a it’s a viable option

1080
00:43:03,460 –> 00:43:09,520
except that now he needs to see what of

1081
00:43:07,120 –> 00:43:12,310
that information he can port in an easy

1082
00:43:09,520 –> 00:43:14,770
way and what of that information he’s

1083
00:43:12,310 –> 00:43:17,050
been having for years on the iPhone

1084
00:43:14,770 –> 00:43:19,810
he needs to copy and paste or even

1085
00:43:17,050 –> 00:43:22,750
re-enter all the information so make

1086
00:43:19,810 –> 00:43:26,020
sure regardless where you are what is

1087
00:43:22,750 –> 00:43:28,470
that portability factor for your

1088
00:43:26,020 –> 00:43:30,820
information for your external brain

1089
00:43:28,470 –> 00:43:34,120
great I think that’s a good place for us

1090
00:43:30,820 –> 00:43:37,750
to close out I want to wish everybody

1091
00:43:34,120 –> 00:43:39,370
the the foresight in terms of building

1092
00:43:37,750 –> 00:43:40,960
an external brain to make sure that you

1093
00:43:39,370 –> 00:43:42,790
are really thinking about how you can

1094
00:43:40,960 –> 00:43:44,560
develop it so that it fits into the

1095
00:43:42,790 –> 00:43:46,300
various categories of your life that

1096
00:43:44,560 –> 00:43:49,450
you’re capable of trusting it and I

1097
00:43:46,300 –> 00:43:51,460
think to to arts point about trust comes

1098
00:43:49,450 –> 00:43:53,500
o Gusteau’s point about consistency

1099
00:43:51,460 –> 00:43:55,360
right the more you consistently put the

1100
00:43:53,500 –> 00:43:57,430
information into the right places and

1101
00:43:55,360 –> 00:43:59,320
appropriately tag it and all those other

1102
00:43:57,430 –> 00:44:01,210
fun things then the better you’re going

1103
00:43:59,320 –> 00:44:03,340
to be able to back flow and search for

1104
00:44:01,210 –> 00:44:05,710
it find it in the appropriate folder or

1105
00:44:03,340 –> 00:44:08,080
notebook and then be able to search

1106
00:44:05,710 –> 00:44:10,720
those areas where that information might

1107
00:44:08,080 –> 00:44:12,280
be so with that here’s your productive

1108
00:44:10,720 –> 00:44:13,930
life this is productivity cast the

1109
00:44:12,280 –> 00:44:16,000
weekly show about all things personal

1110
00:44:13,930 –> 00:44:17,650
productivity I’m ray Sydney Smith and

1111
00:44:16,000 –> 00:44:19,480
I’m here with the gusto pen now dart

1112
00:44:17,650 –> 00:44:21,270
Galax and Frances Wade thank you

1113
00:44:19,480 –> 00:44:23,980
gentlemen for joining me here today and

1114
00:44:21,270 –> 00:44:26,230
take care that’s it for this

1115
00:44:23,980 –> 00:44:28,690
productivity cast the weekly show about

1116
00:44:26,230 –> 00:44:31,060
all things productivity with your hosts

1117
00:44:28,690 –> 00:44:34,920
ray Sydney Smith and Augusto panade with

1118
00:44:31,060 –> 00:44:34,920
Francis Wade and art Galax

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